No.3194
wow, that's actually some bullshit
No.3195
>>3193They may or may not. If one of the remaining big titles doesn't work someone will probably pick up the code and put out a fork that works, assuming nobody does it before then. It's possible they'll just work with the existing state of either Ryujinx or Yuzu, though.
No.3197
>>3195The bright side of this is that, based on the wording, unlike Yuzu, Ryujinx wasn't strong armed into handing over the rights to the source code. With Yuzu, Nintendo owns the IP and can shut down any forks, whereas with Ryujinx someone can theoretically pick up the pieces and start working on it again. I'm not super hopeful that will happen, though... In the 7 months following Yuzu being shut down, it kind of seems like all of the developers who were working on it scattered to the wind, so it wouldn't surprise me if Ryujinx has the same fate and is stuck as-is.
No.3198
Fuck Nintendo and fuck anyone that buys Nintendo products
No.3201
>>3197>Nintendo owns the IP and can shut down any forks??? I'm pretty sure you can't retroactively un-open source your open source code. Yuzu was pretty heavily monetized so without that incentive it makes sense people would focus on the Switch emulator that wasn't under legal heat and was arguably better anyway. With no alternatives it's way more likely a fork will start with serious effort. I can't imagine Metroid Prime 4 coming out and people just giving up on playing it with a stable framerate.
If the theory that Nintendo is going after these things so late in the Switch's life cycle because their new console uses a similar architecture and they're afraid of a Dolphin situation is true, that will definitely push people to start deving them again. Also it will be hilarious and exactly what the jewish cunts deserve.
No.3202
>>3198No Nintendo products, no Nintendo games.
No.3204
It's not like people can't develop anything without it being legal either way... Everyone knows tons of people use emulation for piracy, wouldn't be that hard to believe someone would anonymously upload a few commits to a repository hosted in a third world country that doesn't care about copyright. We already pirate all sorts of videos and music. There's people writing code for all sorts of illegal shenanigans out there. Some for profit, some for self interest. Even companies do it and routinely use GPL code in closed source programs.
It will slow down development though, but it doesn't mean it's the end of emulation.
No.3205
>>3201I might be misremembering, but one part about why Nintendo went after Yuzu first was because they had included Nintendo-copyrighted material in the source code, which allowed them to go after it, and all forks, on the basis of DMCA. So, not only are they sole owner/maintainer of the now closed source Yuzu, but all previously existent (and attempts at current) forks are in breach of DMCA because Yuzu wasn't cleanroom developed. Ryujinx, however, had no copyrighted material and you had to supply much more for it to start working.
No.3206
>>3202And this is supposed to mean anything? Fuck you for buying nintedo products. Fuck you for supporting the Japanese Satan.
No.3208
They have a right to do that. Emulators are illegal.
No.3209
>>3208they are not
use of an emulator can be illegal (namely, if you didn't acquire all the files needed to run it yourself), but the program itself isn't if it wasn't made via someone else's copyrighted code (eg, distributing firmware files or being made via leaked SDKs)
No.3210
>>3209There are still terms of service to consider and also even if you own the game it's still illegal to pirate it on PC to play on an emulator and somehow moving the files from your copy of the game to a PC would still possibly be illegal and against the terms of service. And then there is the matter of patterns and copyrights.
These things get shut down for a reason. If they were not doing anything wrong they would not be shut down.
No.3211
>>3210Terms of Service and EULA are not legally enforceable in any country.
No.3212
damn, this is outrageous, guess I'm not going to buy any more Nintendo handhelds or consoles...
uhhhhhh hold up...
No.3213
>>3211Because they aren't laws. They are still grounds for other actions through.
No.3214
>>3210Things like game backups should in theory be legal, at least in the US, because the courts have long maintained that it is legal for consumers to format shift music and movies they purchased. This is why CD ripping is perfectly legal. With regards to games, it's never been tried in court -- no one wants to set a legal precedent that it is illegal, and lawyers fees are very expensive, so most settle out of court.
No.3215
>>3208They are literally using emulated IP in their own fucking console. Don't give me that shit.
No.3216
Reminder that intellectual property is a protection racket that murders millions every year.
No.3219
>>3205The permanent injunction in Nintendo v. Tropic Haze doesn't say that. It just says:
>Developing or distributing software, including Yuzu, that in its ordinary course functions only when cryptographic keys are integrated without authorization, violates the Digital Millennium Copyright ActIf I understand the US legal system correctly, by virtue of being signed off by a judge, this is binding on all US district courts (and lower?).
So Nintendo can now credibly say they will sue you and you WILL lose (i.e. need to appeal) if you host Yuzu's source code on any US webhost or distribute it through any US ISP, I guess.
No.3220
meanwhile if anyone posts it right now I'm going to become the tyrant mod for trying to protect the longitivity of the site...
No.3221
>>3218Americans don't deserve sympathy.
No.3222
Nintendo lawyer here, just want to let everyone know that this website has been on our radar for a while and we are monitoring for any suspicious activity.
No.3224
I want to be a Nintendo Lawyer when I grow up. Protecting the innocent, writing wrongs, making society a better and fairer place.
>>3223
Rude.
No.3225
>>3205I think you're confusing it with Dolphin, which created issues when RetroArch was put on Steam because it contained the Wii common key which was a copyrighted string of random characters. Yuzu and Ryujinx both made you go out and find the supplementary files yourself.
>>3219Yuzu settled out of court, there was no precedent set and I'm pretty sure your quote comes from Nintendo's claim, it's just the bullshit they said to explain why they felt like they have something to sue over not something a judge or anybody else has agreed was true. The consensus, as far as I'm aware, is that they were hosting pirated versions of games on their servers for testing updates to make Yuzu run leaked games and the team knew they'd get fucked for that even if the emulator itself wasn't a problem. The argument that "it needs keys to add the functionality that we think most people want more" is really weak.
No.3226
>>3210>There are still terms of service to considerThere are no terms of services to consider when you buy a physical game in a store. Terms of services in most countries are also deemed invalid if the customer is unable to understand it, or they are too unreasonable.
>and also even if you own the game it's still illegal to pirate it on PC to play on an emulator and somehow moving the files from your copy of the game to a PC would still possibly be illegalThis is legal almost all over the world. Why are you voluntarily spreading corporate propaganda to feel good about yourself for repeating shit rumors they themselves have spread to cause fear in consumers?
>And then there is the matter of patterns and copyrights.No copyrights are broken when I copy my game from my cartridge to my sd card. I am legally free to do what I want with my own game as long as I don't give the copy to someone else.
>These things get shut down for a reason. If they were not doing anything wrong they would not be shut down.I can't tell if you're trolling or retarded enough to actually believe this. What you wrote is just "I don't know why this happens, but it must be for a reason".
Just sit out of the conversation.
No.3227
Also last but not least, who gives a fuck if it's illegal. Grow a spine. Do some crime.
No.3228
>>3225The quote is from the final judgement, not the original claim:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.rid.56980/gov.uscourts.rid.56980.11.0.pdfIt definitely looks like a judge did agree. But yeah, to be fair, I wouldn't know if this counts as a precedent anyone cares about.
No.3231
This has come up a few times now (thanks Nintendo) so I've got the relevant parts of the DMCA boiled down for ya:
>The DMCA bans bypassing DRM
>The DMCA has exceptions for when you may legally bypass DRM
>One exception is for "interoperability" of computer systems, quite literally getting legitimately acquired software running on a system the original publishers did not intend
>But the DMCA says all exceptions are forfeit if they're for a "piracy" "device"
Nintendo argues these emulators are piracy devices (the precedent they cite are their own cases against flashcart makers) and therefore none of the other DMCA provisions for bypassing DRM can apply. An emulator developer would have to argue his software is purely for getting code running on novel systems, not for pirating games.
The real thing that's happening here is true to America: it doesn't matter if you have a legal defense, what matters is do you have the millions of dollars to _mount_ a legal defense.
No.3232
>>3226Terms of service are still there in physical games, even if you buy a game in store the ToS message will still pop up when you play it the first time.
ToS are quite important when it comes to cases like this, if the ToS say that you are only allowed to play on Switch then any emulator service would breach ToS and therefore the only way you could play a game on an emulator without breaching ToS would be to pirate the game, which is obviously illegal.
>>3227I myself pirate things, just because I do it does not mean it's right or that the companies that owns these properties have no legal grounds to come after me. They do and they have a right to come after me if they can, I am in the wrong.
No.3233
>>3232>ToS are quite important when it comes to cases like this, if the ToS say that you are only allowed to play on Switch then any emulator service would breach ToS and therefore the only way you could play a game on an emulator without breaching ToS would be to pirate the gameBreaking terms of service is not in itself illegal. This does not matter at all.
What are they gonna do, deny you service for breaking the terms? You're already not using their service if you buy a game and play it on a computer instead.
>They do and they have a right to come after me if they can, I am in the wrong.I hope you get NTR'd.
No.3235
>>3233>You're already not using their service if you buy a game and play it on a computer instead.Exactly, don't you see? In such a situation there is no valid grounds to use an emulator as by necessity you are either using a service that was denied to you or you are pirating it. So how exactly could you mount a legal defence if you are making such an emulator? You couldn't.
No.3236
>>3235>Exactly, don't you see?Devices aren't produced forever. Machines break. This is a piss-poor argument.
>In such a situation there is no valid grounds to use an emulatorThere's many reasons to use an emulator. I mean this with the utmost sincerity though I don't like to make rude posts, but shut the fuck up. All you're contributing is needless fearmongering and corporate propaganda furthering the loss of our rights. The more these ridiculous and faulty sentiments are spread, the bolder the corporations get as they realize they can push things further without the protests of the people.
No.3237
>>3236So what if they break? What is your argument even meant to be here?
What reason? Because using an emulator to play a game that you have been denied or to play a game you haev pirated are not valid reasons.
>I mean this with the utmost sincerity though I don't like to make rude posts>>3233>I hope you get NTR'd.Well that's exactly what I expected form somebody like you, you don't have a sincere or civilised bone in your body.
And no, you don't have a right to pirate.
No.3238
As long as I can emulate a game 5 years after it comes out, I'm okay with whatever.
No.3241
>>3239
>>3240
All that tells me is that you have nothing to say, well that and you are children.
No.3243
>>3242
You don't have the right to pirate.
No.3244
>>3243Rights are a spook.
No.3245
Lame ass "discussion"
No.3246
There is something else that I will add that is worth mentioning regarding this situation.
While the court already stated it was piracy as
>>3219 posted, it's worth examining what the result would be had it been deemed legal instead. Because it would not be what you think it would be or what you actually want.
If it was deemed that emulating was legal and therefore that playing a game you own on any platform was legal it would result in two possible scenarios, though the second is more likely.
First. This would essentially mean the end of platform exclusivity which Nintendo owes a lot of it's success to and is the reason why it targets emulators like this, Nintendo would be relegated to being just another game publisher like Sega and so would Sony. You would see the entire game industry be monopolised by one platform, everything would be PC and Microsoft. This clearly is not ideal.
Second and most likely. Nintendo and Sony would simply stop selling games. They would lease them instead or they would make them subscription based and they would also add security measures to make them unable to be emulated such as forcing them to always be online or if it gets bad enough they might even have them be cloud based. This is obviously something nobody wants.
>>3245It can get lamer still.
No.3247
>>3246not until someone starts spamming. That's too lame even for the mods
No.3248
>>3235The emulator is for the purpose of documenting and preserving hardware functionality, educational purposes, and enabling the development of homebrew software. It does not need security keys to provide these key functionalities and is not distributed with them.
>>3246This is a good trollpost, but I'd appreciate it if you stopped.
No.3249
>>3248You can put that in a university which is paying the rights holders fees for the time and effort they put into hardware and software development.
No.3250
(and of course the government will write off those fees in educational institution tax cuts)
No.3252
>>3248It's not a troll post, you are just not able to see how the world works. Which is odd coming from somebody of your position. You would think that you would be aware of how big business behaves.
No.3253
A ToS is subordinate to the law.
>>3219>>3246Nintendo's complaint wasn't litigated and is not precedent in the legal jargon sense of the word.
No.3261
The emulator still exists for anyone who puts 2 seconds into google. You probably haven't even pirated anything in your life, you just want to pretend you're an edgy rulebreaker.
No.3262
saw a negro cat in the street and told it to gb2leddit for being an asslicker
No.3268
>>3263Have you considered that the poster did in fact have braindamage though? I felt it was quite relevant to the conversation. Although I accept my position as a lowly poster beholden to the whims of the moderators, I disagree that it was out of line to remind anyone else in the thread that there was no point discussing further as they apparently did not have proper control of their brain functions and as such may not have been possible to reason with. As such, I believe I did everyone a favor by resulting to "ad-hominem".
Please don't tread on me, meido-sama.
No.3269
>>3268>resultingResorting. I also appear to have lowered brain faculties..
No.3270
>>3268meidos exist to tread on people
No.3273
>>3272I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you want me to literally eat your ass. Assuming you are a rare female kissu poster I might accept your proposition, however should you be of the homosexual nature I must respectfully decline.