No.1798
>>1797Well, you would at least remove Windows 11 from it, right?
I don't know laptop-only hardware like onboard GPU stuff so I can't comment on that. I also don't see the price there, but the resolution and RAM is absurd and probably indicates an expensive laptop with high specs that people won't use. 16 inch screen and the resolution is 4k? What is the use case for that? If you open an old program that doesn't scale you're going to have a program window that's 4 inches across. Fonts in most programs will be a nightmare.
It's been the common wisdom to not buy 4k monitors unless you're getting the ones that are like 90 inches and you have specific usage in mind, it's not a technology involved with "future-proofing" at all since we're still actually waiting for 4k content to be something other than a gimmick.
No.1799
>>1798Oh, a possible resolution exception is a drawing pad screen, but that one is "non-touch" so you're not going to need that much pixel density.
No.1800
>>1798Really? Can't see the price?
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No.1801
>>1800I use noscript and after enabling a few domains and still not getting functionality I figured something was just not working. Yeah, that price is quite absurd but about what I'd expect.
No.1802
Yeah. The screen stuff is a good take. I'd like a laptop that can double as a desktop so the actual quality of screen, keyboard, weight, etc. isn't a big deal. Someone's brought up the possibility of Linux install laptops which save 150$
No.1803
>>1802The latest thinkpads are starting to have worse Linux support. But if you get one 1-3 years old they usually come with decent CPU+GPU. The T14 gen 1 AMD laptops are really nice, have full support in Linux and you can pick up a dock cheap. Pretty much tailor made to function as a desktop. If you're going to be desktop-only most of the time and don't care about more than 4 hours of battery life the P14s are the "performance" of the T14s and come with slightly better hardware at the cost of less battery life. But they are still a laptop so the CPU/GPU can only do so much before throttling kicks in.
If you go with a T14/P14 thinkpad make sure to get one with maxed out RAM (32GB). They come with soldered RAM and a RAM slot. So you'll want to make sure to get one with 16GB soldered RAM and add a 16GB stick to the slot to get dual-channel RAM which greatly helps performance by allowed the CPU to take advantage of the dual channel support.
You can install an extra M.2 SSD in the WWAN slot on T/P14s. So you can expand the storage or run a dual boot without having to partition the NVMe SSD that comes with it. It's picky about what kinds of SSDs it'll accept though. They're pretty cheap now.
I've had no issues with the AMD version of the T14 gen 1 when it comes to linux by the way. It ran both Gentoo and Arch fine. Other people say it runs all the major distros like Debian and Ubuntu with no issues. The driver support is really good now on the latest kernels. Even the fingerprint reader works for logins. You just need to change a couple of things in the BIOS to ensure hibernation works (although I rarely use that feature).
Other people report problems with their keyboard after extended use. Hasn't happened to me yet. But the keyboard is pretty easy to replace and parts are both cheap and available.
Mine is the touch screen model. I suggest getting it because the screen is better than some of the others that were offered. Usually they cost a bit more. If you end up getting one with the lower quality screen they are easy to replace. Thinkpads are good because of the aftermarket support.
Just be warned that models after the T14s/P14s/L14s are getting less friendly to modify and work on. I'm not well versed in models that came out after the one I have. But a lot of people complain about them. One important thing you might want to know is every model after the T14s no longer came with an Ethernet port. That's something to consider if you plan to use it as a desktop. Also the T14s like I have require taking the case apart to replace the battery. Earlier models allowed you to do that by simply popping it out. Later models are even harder to take apart for battery replacement since the trend in thinner and harder to work on these days. T14 is probably the last laptop I'll buy unless another company comes along that offers something similar and it gets good aftermarket support.
I looked at all of the companies selling pre-installed Linux laptops when I comparing models for my next laptop. None of them seemed very good. The hardware was typically older than a used thinkpad, they had less aftermarket support and they were priced much higher. The system76 or whatever it is called seemed like a huge scam. A company that talks a big game but delivers bullshit. The hardware is really old and the OS they offered is basically Ubuntu+a bad DE. The only people that buy something like that are the same people that are terrified of the command line and installing their own OS. It feels like such companies only get popular due to shilling campaigns and they don't really contribute anything of value back to the Linxu ecosystem. Most of the users seem like they have buyers remorse once they find out they could have gotten a better laptop for 1/4th the price. I'd avoid them.
No.1804
>>1803By the way. Don't buy through Amazon re-sellers there still have T14 Gen 1 listed upwards to $1k. If you wait on Ebay sales you can get them pretty cheap. I just found this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/235704029112?_skw=thinkpad+t14+gen+1+amdI paid about $400 for one with maxed out RAM and the touchscreen last Christmas. You'll want to be mindful of the screen listed and the RAM. Avoid all of the 8GB soldered RAM offerings. I'd also avoid the Ryzen 5 models since you get the Ryzen 7 one for usually the same (or cheaper) price. Avoid the Intel ones as well (worse GPU support in Linux).
I can't remember now why I avoided everything after the Gen1 models. But I want to say it has worse Linux support and the hardware updates weren't worth it.
No.1806
>>1805Wait sorry that's the T14S. Again, can't remember why I avoided those but I do know the regular T14 was a better laptop. Anyway, keep an eye on Ebay and buy a used thinkpad. You can't go wrong as long as you do your research.
No.1807
>>1804>>1805>>1806I found the one I bought. Different sellers and around the same price I paid last holiday season;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/166992050370?_skw=thinkpad+t14+gen+1+amd$50 more than the $400 it was during Christmas. Still not a bad deal. CPU+GPU is powerful enough that it should last you until the end of the decade as long as you aren't doing something crazy. You can pick up the dock pretty cheap. But you don't really need it. You can run external monitors and such without it.
No.1808
>>1804When you say bad linux support on newer models what does that mean? If they run AMD they have good linux support
No.1809
>>1808Typically, things like webcams, fingerprint readers, the mobile modems and parts of the chipset aren't supported. So it will run but you may not be able to do things like hibernate or suspend to RAM. The battery life might be really bad etc.
The T14 was like that for the first several months-year of its life span. The processor ran fine but you couldn't change the frequency even from the command line. So it ran at the highest speed possible the entire time it was on. Thus the battery life was really bad.
No.1810
>>1797>>1800People spend upwards of $5500 on laptops these days??
No.1811
>>1810I'm gonna assume it's just misleading marketing and they always intended to sell it for $3k which is insane, but now it "looks like a good deal" when it's obviously not worth it.
No.1812
>>1810A lot of that pricing comes from the fact that companies that buy laptops for their employees upgrade on a 2-3 year cycle. So everything is overpriced because they know they'll pay it. That's why you wait and buy used stuff off ebay. When those companies upgrade they dump all their old stock for cheap attempting to recoup some of the costs.
No.1813
>>1808>>1809I forgot to mention: One of the main things about new laptops and linux is the fact that a lot of the time the wifi driver is no good of half working. Which makes modern laptops pretty useless considering they don't have ethernet ports. At least with the ethernet port you can do the install while wired into the LAN and maybe hack the driver into working reliably (or using the Windows driver through WINE).
Rule of thumb is 6 months-year after release before a laptop is 90-100% functioning on Linux. Longer if you don't run bleeding edge kernels. Most exotic stuff might never function at all. For example, even the T14 has a huge issue with secure boot. If you delete the default keys by mistake you'll brick the machine and the only fix is to send it back to the vendor for motherboard replacement.
Archwiki is the best place to check for this kind of stuff. Here is the page for the laptop I linked above:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T14_(AMD)_Gen_1If Linux is your goal you have to be really careful and do your research. Least you end up with something that had great hardware but forces you to run an OS you dislike. Lenovo is one of the few companies that even cares about Linux support and even they release laptops all of the time that aren't working with Linux correctly. Some things can be excused because they have no control over the kernel. But stuff like the secure keys issue is 100% on them. At least they'll respond to your help requests on their own forum and it's filled with people actively trying to debug and fix issues in Linux.
Please do not pay over $1k for any laptop. You'll regret it.
No.1814
>>1807I looked at the PSREF for this, unfortunately it doesn't have USB4 (which I could use for external GPU) and there are configurations with bad screens not covering 100% sRGB unless you go with higher resolution.
Newer generations do support USB4 but with all RAM soldered, and still have the screen problem. Might as well go with X13 with 32GB soldered RAM, which don't have trash screens available.
No.1820
>>1814What's the problem? Get a display port adapter for your external screens. Why are you attempting to get top of the line screen in laptop anyway? This isn't the use case for such computers.
>external GPUReal waste of money. Why not build a desktop and save yourself a big headache?
For what you're going to spend for a laptop that doubles as both and checks all these boxes you could have had nice used laptop and decent desktop. A 12 year old desktop/cpu/gpu can run all AAA games at 60+fps at acceptable resolutions. A 6 year old desktop can do 60+fps with 4k. There is little point in what you're attempting to do. By the time you've paid for the top of the line laptop and external GPU you'll have spent more money that you would have spent on a decent desktop+laptop combo with sane system specs. If you do what you're thinking about doing you're just going to want to upgrade in a couple of years.
Trust me. Trying to make a laptop into a gaming PC is a _very_ bad idea due to CPU throttling. My laptop has a much better CPU than my desktop that I use to render/encode video. But it can't take advantage of the increased speeds because of the heat. It can only do short bursts at 100% at its top speed because the fans can't keep up and it's forced to throttle down to save itself.
I made the same mistake you're able to make in the mid-late 2000s. I tried to use laptop as my primary desktop. All that happened was I destroyed the battery twice by leaving it plugged in and charging while at 100% and the bottom of the case melted from the constant 100% pegged out CPU. It sucked for gaming. It sucked for video work. It sucked for everything that wasn't web browser, watching videos and text editing. When it finally needed parts replaced it was a big pain in the ass to fix because it wasn't designed for being serviced by anything but small chinese children's hands.
Save yourself the trouble and buy a proper desktop and decent used laptop. You don't have to drop thousands on a desktop with a decent CPU. You can get good deals on 1-3 year old desktop computers with plenty of SATA and PCIe ports for cheap. They used to be even cheaper before youtubers started shilling them and running the prices through the roof.
No.1821
>>1820Have had similar experience with laptops.
Had to get a "gaming laptop" (gaming laptops are a scam) for class work when I was in college, the throttle with the heating problems was so bad that I could never make full use of the specs. Every laptop in class either had heating problems or had the loudest fans, or both. Eventually had to get a desktop because I couldn't get any work done. The desktop I got for the same price as the "gaming laptop" was leagues better than the laptop; better GPU, better CPU, more storage, and most importantly better cooling. You could have the same CPU/GPU combo in a laptop and a desktop and the desktop will always win. You'll probably get performance comparable to a latest laptop with a decade old desktop minus heating problems.
Any laptop rated for anything other than web browsing is a scam, you're better off buying a desktop instead which will cost you a fraction of the laptop's price. The laptop space is absolutely saturated with marketing jargon, it's all bullcrap.
No.1822
>>1820>Why are you attempting to get top of the line screen in laptop anyway? This isn't the use case for such computers.Because I go outside, unlike you it seems.
>Real waste of money. Why not build a desktop and save yourself a big headache?I already have a desktop with a powerful GPU, which replaced an older one (still powerful enough with 8GB VRAM to run lots of games and AI models). The old GPU is just sitting there collecting dust. Why are you so against utilizing it for something useful?
>For what you're going to spend for a laptop that doubles as both and checks all these boxes you could have had nice used laptop and decent desktop. I already have them. I have like 6 used laptops at the moment and I recently got another one for free. But none of them have a good GPU, and any "gaming" laptop with a discrete GPU would have much more thermal problems than having an external desktop GPU that I can use with my laptop.
>Trying to make a laptop into a gaming PC is a _very_ bad idea due to CPU throttling. I go outside and travel and I'm not going to carry a full desktop with me. An external GPU is the best thing I can have on the go. Games and especially AI models are GPU-bound anyway.
No.1823
>>1804For various reasons second hand won't compare with new at 7/10 the price. That one also doesn't ship past the north border.
But it's interesting because I could buy new and get reimbursement on SSDs and RAM to upgrade to required. I'm not a huge fan of laptop disassembly though.
No.1824
>>1822Fine go ahead and waste your money. If you're resorting to
>I go outside unlike youI know you aren't worth the time of day. They never listen.
Let us know how hauling around your external GPU when you go outside works for you.
No.1825
>>1824Not my fault if you can't comprehend that not all people have the same need as you. I expected the exact non technical nonsense response like this from you. The only reason that I bothered to articulate my response at all is to shine light on your self-ignorance for everyone to see. It's not the first time you did something similar here.
Let us know how hauling around your desktop when you go outside works for you. Hard mode: don't cope with "i'm so adult that don't need to play game when i travel lol".
No.1827
>>1825Where do you take your laptop outside that you want to play games? Normally a laptop functions as a mobile work computer. I don't understand your usecase for external GPU unless it's to use GPU processing
>>1826passion
No.1828
>>1827>I don't understand your usecase for external GPU unless it's to use GPU processingML models. Otherwise you have to rely on external services that are paid, hoard your data, unsuitable for customized setups, and have to use network which isn't good for traveling.
No.1831
>>1826I'm not worked up. I tried to give him good advice and he accused me of
>never going outsideif I'd known I was dealing with an idiot I wouldn't have bothered in the first place. Let him waste his money. He'll just double down on being stupid when he finds out it was a bad idea. Don't bother trying to help people that piss into the wind then wonder why they got covered in pee.
No.1832
going outs*de is what the norms do
No.1833
>>1828Let me ignore my own advice and try this one more time; A sane person would build a home server. Which could house multiple GPUs and you could run your little ML model on it then access it from anywhere in the world with an internet connection using your laptop. This is spending your money and time wisely. We even have this nifty and well proven piece of software called Xorg that will allow you to directly interact with any GUI application running on said server as if it was natively running on your lower end hardware. Been used for years by professionals and hobbyists alike. Of course. If the software is pure CLI screen and tmux works fine to.
You will regret this. If you want to find out the hard way be my guest. But there is a reason everyone that attempts them never buys another one.
No.1834
>>1831>I tried to give him good advice and he accused me of>>never going outsideLet me ask you: do you? If you do extensively, you would've known how these advice you blindly reiterate from what you saw other people taking on the internet actually work out.
>>1833>A sane person would build a home server.>This is spending your money and time wisely.Sure, let's ignore the money and time needed to get a suitable internet connection without the typical ISP restrictions, setting up domain/DNS and UPS, 24/7 AC to cool the server room, fending off attackers, and keep maintaining this infrastructure, while hoping your dog doesn't eat the Ethernet cable while you're out.
>then access it from anywhere in the world with an internet connection using your laptopI see, you didn't even bother reading my post about internet connection. Have you ever tried using internet "anywhere in the world" outside your home? You have no idea how spotty these kinds of connections can be.
>We even have this nifty and well proven piece of software called Xorg that will allow you to directly interact with any GUI application running on said server as if it was natively running on your lower end hardware. Another nonsense clearly from some who has only surface understanding on this matter. Native X11 forwarding is literally unusable outside of LAN setups due to outdated design, and you have the audacity to talk about "anywhere in the world". Do you even have any idea what Xpra is? And good luck with any gaming attempt with the internet latency.
>You will regret this. If you want to find out the hard way be my guest. But there is a reason everyone that attempts them never buys another one.Projection of your mind isn't reality. What does "another one" mean anyway? An eGPU box doesn't need to be changed when upgrading GPUs.
No.1835
Apparently I need a UPS because my power keeps cutting out ...
No.1836
>>1835>Apparently I need a UPS because my power keeps cutting out ...i got one after a few blackouts/blips and after that only experienced one power outage
i think when its autumn and there are thunderstorms thats the biggest risk of power outs so in a few months itll be handy again
No.1848
A Google breakup is seriously being considered now
No.1849
>>1848What's a Google breakup...
No.1852
well, not the stuff that you try to use words to generate code. But use it as a tool for text complete
No.1871
To kind of clarify after watching. He's saying it's as good as a fresh graduate from a CS class who only did things for homework assignments and prepared for interviews. Basically for the entry level positions that existed solely to onboard juniors
No.1873
do not update to windows11
No.1874
why am i not allowed to extract multiple files from 7z at once...
No.1903
going to attempt to learn python again
No.2150
sometimes I'm shocked that computers even work