No.121774
Dork and Frieren tend to be more than the archetype so it's harder to consider them as one. They're people who act or want to act more like observers than they do players, even though they try to get forced that role.
Other kudere are just pandering 'shes just like me' sort of thing
No.121776
>>121772I like them and I hate when literal retards think they are autistic.
No.121777
>>121774Being part of an archetype doesn't mean you can't express other individual characteristics. It's true for a lot of the ones in that pic as well, particularly Hitagi and Akane (Hitagi even jokingly calls herself a tsundere, but she's really more of a kuudere). 'Rei-clones' like Yuki are their own thing though.
No.121779
>>121778Don't they kinda not fit the "Has no close relationships" criteria at all since one of the defining traits of a kuudere is being intimate with at least one person.
No.121781
>>121780Don't take armchair diagnostics seriously.
For one, it takes training to reduce personal bias in a characterization of a person. For another, these personality types are actually somewhat more complicated than what fits on a neat little chart.
No.121782
>>121777>Akane*Akashi
Confused her with the Oshi no Ko character. Shame on me.
No.121786
>>121781I agree, also these traits are given to characters for the sake of making them cutesy and moe most of the time, not necessarily because they wanted to depict mental illneses.
No.121790
Rei's not a real person anyways.
She's just a clone to serve as a replacement for Yui for Gendo. She doesn't have emotions because she's basically a child in an older body and the only life she's known has been the regimented life within NERV. She's essentially a flesh and blood persocom more than a human with a soul and memories. >>121783 is not moe. It's ironic. Rei is an imperfect replacement for Shinji's mother, which he is unaware of. No.121792
>>121781But if I don't have a mental disorder everyone will think I'm a lamo norm. I AM an ADHD autistic schizoid!
No.121793
>>121781>>121792The disorder is poorly understood by psychologists anyway. But it's tiring to pretend you're normal when you're not. You have to deal with people asking: "why are you like this, why don't you smile or laugh much, why don't you care about socializing or finding a girlfriend", etc and my answer to those questions is just: "I don't know, it's just the way I am". Getting a diagnosis would be kind of a relief since I wouldn't need to pound my head over it anymore. I know it's not anything on the 'tism spectrum because I don't exhibit any of their classic traits, so it has to be something along the same lines of this poorly understood disorder.
Stop trying to make this about actual people though. It's about kuuderes.
No.121796
>>121772Eh. I can never get them to go 'dere'.
No.121799
love getting bit and scratched by shabbers
No.121802
>>121793It's tiring to other people when you pretend to be disabled when you're not.
No.121804
>>121802That almost sounds like a compliment, but it's not very reassuring. It's not something that I think I'm able to change it. I've been like this since my early adolescence.
Stop derailing the thread now.
No.121810
>>121809She still has the hottest mom out of all the romcoms, from that era, though
No.121811
>>121809>because the art... got unbearably kusoHow so? Normally mangaka tend to improve over time...
No.121812
I know I'm gonna sound like a pearl-clutching tumblrite, but that most -deres are romanticizing bad stuff. Kuuderes at least can just be explained as stoic women, but tsun and yandere feel like fetishizing female abusers.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, I just wish people would be more honest with themselves
No.121814
>>121813that can't be real
it looks like an entirely different character drawn by some other author
No.121821
>>121772>I'm personally attracted to them because they're similar to myself.Thinking about it, I probably could have been described as a male kuudere in highschool. There were a pair of girls that jostled for my attention but I always was giving them the cold shoulder. The girl I did like was pretty aloof, I wouldn't describe her as kuudere, but I felt she was similar to me; putting her studies and academic development first. This isnt' really kuudere but reflecting on my actions back then and general apathy towards interactions I couldn't definitely see it being construed that.
>Kuuderes are a big 'gap moe' thingFor me the attraction wouldn't be the "gap moe" but my personal projection that a kuudere would rationally approach life with little emotional influence and more logic. Though, this is probably a different archetype.
No.121822
>>121820He looks like a dexters lab character with that chin lol
No.121830
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>>121829Dunno why the random Spanish is there (doesn't seem like it's a publicity either). It's just a pic I saved from image search.
No.121831
>>121812>Not that there's anything wrong with thatYou're right, that does make you sound like a tumblrite.
Tsundere encompasses more than the lazy "girl who punches you" characters. It can just be a character who starts out hostile and grows to like someone.
No.121833
maybe the idea that tsundere are abusive is mostly put foreward by the idea that Asuka is tsundere when she's really just emotionally unstable... harking back to
>>121790 's post
No.121837
>>121831Yes, I gave Kurisu as an example of a non-violent and relatively tame tsundere here:
>>121819 She is justified in calling out Okabe's chuuni bullshit. Asa/Yoru is another good one in my opinion (that most people don't even realize she is due to archetypes not being discussed nowadays).
I have a harder time excusing yandere though. That one is pretty much just fetishizing crazy people.
No.121841
>>121840Oh wait I'm thinking of dandere. These terms are annoying to remember. Well, I'm not really a fan of either. Same basic premise of a character's personality changing.
No.121848
>>121837Asa is hard to categorize because the two sides to her personality are two entirely different characters.
Yandere I think is popular for the same reason tomboy is popular, some people like women socialized as men. If they're not chuuni gurobait yandere women are similar to male romantic instincts
No.121859
>>121854>I don't get why people don't see it.Her tsundere-ness feels more "western" than usual for lack of a better description. She doesn't really have the mannerisms of a typical tsundere from anime or manga so it flies under the radar more easily.
No.121861
>>121853Because she's not that attractive. You need to be a certain level of pretty or cute or hot or else you're just a bitch
No.121864
>>121863I think it is. There are very pretty girls in it.
No.121865
Asa's already a pretty divisive character, I don't know if the CSM fanbase could handle a serious debate on whether she's tsundere or not
No.123453
>>123451Wait, >2021.06.13
Okay, it wasn't last year so my memory isn't completely horrendous. But uhh... I guess she would qualify now that I think about it more.
No.123478
>>123477I have a feeling this is a joke or reference but I don't get it...
No.123480
>>123478NTA but the show does have a green tint.
No.123484
>>123483You mean, it will look even greener?