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>>123078
This is true and uhh, but I don't really know how to respond. I think the /jp/ and /qa/ split works well for kissu as serious and dumb threads have trouble sharing the same space due to the naturally slow pace of serious stuff.
That's kind of what they've indirectly done on 4chan with all the /v/ splits. There's still good serious threads on 4chan, but the issue is that they're rare and if you miss one for a subject you're interested in you have to wait for the stars to align again. You'll see people say things like "oh I wish I was there for that thread" because they knew they could make another one but the odds of it taking are pretty low.
As for 4/qa/, I don't want to dwell on history much.

>>123081
There is a difference between funposting and shitposting of course. I'm not advocating for people to be "serious discussion only" spergs. Shitposting is done maliciously while the funposting that /jp/ is known for is not (unless it's to stick up against the jan man).

Kissu IS 4/qa/ IS the original spirit of 4chan.
The difference is that there is no longer a need to fight an epic war against tyranncal mods and hostile tourists. The ability to derail and rerail in an instant. Inheritors of the Nameless One.
You are Forerunner.
Neither Children of the Sun nor Moonchild,

children of

>>123083
Forgot my song

Slow is nice. I've been on fast boards and they're not great and anything and everything gets drowned out in a sea of mediocrity. /jp/ on 4chan still has a quality to it and—outside of some tumors and general drama—strikes a nice balance of slow and fast for most threads. Post quality is still in the gutter, many threads are just image dumps, and many don't know how to have fun, but it's okay and there's decent discussion and writefagging to be had when it pops up on the rare occasion. For talking about and having fun with Touhou it serves my needs.
Kissu is nice because the character limit for posts is more than you'll ever need and the board culture is at a high enough bar to use it. It's very comfy.

/b/ used to be way faster than any of the boards you use and it both produced new content and didn't resort to meta-tactics to maximize thread visibility. Your argument is invalid.

>>123090
>didn't resort to meta-tactics to maximize thread visibility
isn't bait exactly that? because with how many people automatically accused trolls of being from there and the common perception of trolls trolling trolls i would assume it was chock full of it
template threads too, for editing images or stuff like name my band which i thought was tired to the point of people making fun of it

>>123090
You are sorely mistaken if you think I never used /b/ before. I started there back in late 2007 in fact (unfortunately already past its prime I guess). Then I gradually moved to the 'big boy' boards over time. While it's true that /b/ produced funny original content which influenced the greater internet, it was never a marker of quality by any means. Ever heard of the "/b/ was never good" phrase?

>>123091
No. The modern concept of "baiting" is saying something explicitly designed to elicit direct responses for attention (or to artificially keep a thread alive). Trolling is attempting to frustrate or enrage a person or group, often by using intentional fallacies or unwelcome behavior until they ragequit. There were plenty of reposts and just uninteresting threads, but most threads died so quickly it didn't really matter. There were so many potential conversations that what took off at any given time was more about luck than using effective keyphrases.

>>123096
"but it was better than it is now", Mr. Monopoly man. More to the point, its issues were not the issues current 4chan faces so saying speed is the cause of today's issues is wrong.

>>123100
Honestly, I got the shit end of the stick in my /b/ experience and I'm a bit upset for that. Chanology would start just a few months after I started using it, which was what sowed the seeds for kuso political slacktvism there. Chanology was something I absolutely did not give a single fuck about since I'm not American, don't particularly care about politics and couldn't even care to learn anything about what they were protesting against. I thought it was dumb as fuck and was puzzled about what "Scientology" actually was. Americans sure have some weird 'religions'.

Anyway, I'd say Chanology was what made it possible for 4chan to turn into complete garbage in the next few years. Then Gamergate and the 2016 election finished the job. Boards like /a/ and /jp/ also had their fair share of individual and independent problems such as moot and the staff actively working against them to undermine their culture. To summarize, it was mostly political slacktvism and the staff abusing their powers which caused the decline in 4chan's culture. Political shit-stirrers abused the anonymity there to post their controversial opinions without any repercussions.

The speed is simply something I gave as an example of making proper discussion harder. It doesn't really affect the production of OC/memes though. A meme gets posted multiple times unlike a single thread/post made with effort, so it doesn't matter if a memepost archives, because it will be posted again sometime. Or it can live through screencaps if it's funny enough like the pics we're posting. This is a bigger problem in boards that have discussion instead of memes as their primary goal. moot was upset with people treating /v/ like /b/ back then because he wanted the board to have on-topic discussions (he's still a fag though, but he wasn't exactly wrong on this one).

not really a fan of jacking ourselves off for being good but i guess it has its place even though i can never acknowledge it because it feels arrogant

>>123097
i see your point, it's true that nowadays you have users opening a thread with
¥now that the dust has settled, what did we think of it? SOVL or onions?
then someone replying that if they wanted to have a normal thread they could've made it so (disputable), and that's a sort of anti-trolling bait people are supposed to be aware of or call out
ALTHOUGH it would still also be bad to ignore that baiting is overwhelmingly achieved by trolling and viceversa and that's why they're treated as synonyms so often, like telling others to not take a troll's bait which apparently goes back to at least 2006 as per sage.moe
>>123104
yeah i don't like it either...

>>123104
>>123105
I mean, is it really "jacking ourselves off" to say kissu is better than 4chan? That's Captain Obvious stuff. Any slower imageboard is. The only problem is... that they're slow. I would like kissu to be a bit faster, but not TOO fast. There's still a sweet spot to be reached.

>>123103
Scientology wasn't political, it was a stupid and obvious cult that suckered in some celebrities and thus kept popping up in the mainstream news so everybody could shake their heads at the dumb actors joining an obvious cult. GG also wasn't political at first, just another example of how fucked we already knew the industry was, and I'd argue even Trump started as /pol/ kids being epic trolls rather than actual activism. The bullshit for these came when they got picked up by mainstream sources who took them seriously, turned it into an us vs. them affair, and pushed tons of "them" onto the site with the wrong idea about what it was. You're too sensitive about these things and mistake bitching about the stories we're subjected to as activism when it's trolling/raiding at most. Involvement with the real world is not the bane of imageboards.

>>123108
There were plenty of people on /b/ who were against Chanology at the time though. And I was one of them obviously. EFG started as a mockery of the 'newfags' who wore those Guy Fawkes masks to protest back then.

>>123106
It's not obvious at all, they fulfill different roles and a true comparison would be difficult. I definitely don't think every other altchan is better, almost all of them are far worse.

>>123105
I'm pretty sure the "this is bait" fish started getting posted everywhere in 2012-13 and replaced "don't feed the troll" for a while until their meanings slightly diverged. They can be the same thing, but a lot of the generic questions that fill threads aren't attempts at trolling but attempts to bait a few extra bumps out of people.

>>123110
I never said it was universally liked. Nothing is. Contrarianism is 4chan's religion, it will never agree on anything.

Also, the event which turned /b/ into a sterile pr0n board was "The Fappening" I believe. I had to look up the year it happened since I wasn't using /b/ anymore during that time and don't know much about its details. It was in 2014, same year as Gamergate.

>>123090
>didn't resort to meta-tactics to maximize thread visibility
That was absolutely happening, you just didn't notice. To be fair, with no deletion cooldown, no archives, and with auto-updaters being third-party userscripts, it was much harder to notice bumping with deletion. There was also ordinary samefagging and a lot of plain old spam.

>>123084
nice pick!

>>123078
>Is that you aren't encouraged to contribute and make well written posts on the ones that move too fast. It's easier to just be a shitposting moron since it might feel like trying to contribute doesn't pay off due to everything archiving quickly. This is why 4chan is so low quality in general, and this is exacerbated even more by the fact that everyone sees it as a site where you can be retarded/controversial without any repercussions due to anonymity. The result is a very negative and 'toxic' environment which is likely bad for your mental health. However, 4/qa/ during our time went against this culture. If your thread was good we would try to keep it alive as long as possible through constant bumps and bumpbots. This in turn encouraged users to be less negative and try to contribute more towards its culture. 4/qa/ as its 2D/Random incarnation was really a community effort unlike anything ever seen on 4chan before. We did not rely on the staff to do anything for ourselves, we self-moderated. But of course, good things aren't allowed to exist on modern 4chan, so they were against this concept and tried to impose as many restrictions on the board as possible to counter that until everyone got fed up and left. I bet they weren't expecting for something even worse to take our place though.

>Kissu is pretty removed from 4/qa/ at this point, but elements of its culture are still very present here. You see people making well thought and well written posts all the time and quality of discussion is generally much higher than at 4chan.

subjective and relative
time is of the essence here
it is what it is
a board engine
just talk whatevs

>>123078
contributing is boring.

I want to enjoy a certain atmosphere as a lurker but the boards I liked disappeared a long time ago like iichan, wakachan, desuchan. The last 10 years of boards were mostly about currently airing anime and not much else outside of blogging.