I just said "thank you" to the pizza delivery guy.

I never have fallen into the hikki death spiral but I've been a NEET for 32 years and counting, never worked a single day in my life also just as a horrifying thought I want to point out that Misaki is older than most 4chan users now.

Finally done organizing them all…
Now I need to wait for the shed to arrive so I can keep them safe from the rain so they can properly dry. Also got to cut them up. Hopefully they work…

I went outside and experienced nature. It responded by giving me a week of sneezing and coughing constantly so I couldn't even go in to work and became more hikki.

Also, you don't have to ask to pick up someone's garbage. Once they throw it out it's no longer their property.

>>141236
>Once they throw it out it's no longer their property
that sounds like something that will differ depending on where you live

>>141235
Nice faggot

>>141227
cute vom

I have to go to the hardware/garden store to get stuff like dirt and I have to talk to the cashier or ask about the location of stuff and it's not too bad, I guess. It's not easy, but it's doable. It's easy enough because most people are either in their 60s and older or are there for work and go in and out.
Having a normal hobby like a garden gives me something to make casual talk about when I venture out into the world, so there's a hidden benefit there that I think I've mentioned here before. I never start conversions, though.
I still much rather be around plants and animals when I'm outside, but talking to people with similar interests is alright online.

>>141235
Thats a nice amount, well done.

>>141248
Wish you success with your endeavors. Need to go to the hardware store myself to get seeds but procrastinated again.

>>141227
i hate this meme

if i had to put it succinctly it’s portraying normal society as good and upright and the hikkineets as the bad and wrong because they don’t work and become normal the cause is uhhh video games and anime, and of course this society is miraculously free of all ills and problems
it frames what is really a systemic failure as a personal failure
no, the neet didn’t fail society, society failed the neet
it’s pro-establishment propaganda

>>141256
Not wanting to work is bad though. And NHK is about escapism ultimately failing everyone

>>141277
I only posted the preface to Welcome to the NHK.

Honestly I don't think you read the room deleting that. How is that political proselytizing? It's not my fault some guy calls me a jewish cia agent because he didn't like the preface.

The whole novel is here if someone wants to read it. It's a good read, not too long.

>>141256
In this world, conspiracies exist.
However, there is a more than a ninety-nine percent chance that the
plausible-sounding conspiracies that you hear about from others are
simple delusions or even intentional lies. When you visit a bookstore,
the books with titles like The Great Jewish Conspiracy to Ruin the Japanese
Economy! or The Super Conspiracy of the CIA That Hides Their Secret Pact
with Aliens! are all just trivial delusions.
Even so. . . people love conspiracies.
Conspiracies. We are hopelessly fascinated by the sound of that word
and its bittersweet echo.
Consider, for example, the process by which The Jewish Conspiracy
theory comes to be: The author has multiple, terrible complexes and
feelings, such as, "Why am I poor?"; "Why is my life not more
comfortable?"; "Why can I not find a girlfriend?" His mind and body
constantly are pressured, from both within and without.
Those pent-up grudges become endless feelings of hatred towardPreface
society. They become rage.
However, the largest source of rage is his own personal cowardice.
He is poor because he lacks the skill with which to earn money. He
has no girlfriend because he lacks charisma. But the process of seeing
this truth and acknowledging his own incompetence requires quite a bit
of courage. No human beings, regardless of who they might be, want to
look directly at their own shortcomings.
At this point, the conspiracy theorist projects his cowardice onto the
outside world.
He creates a fictitious "enemy" outside of himself.
Enemy. My enemy. Society's enemy.
"Because an enemy conspires to do evil, I cannot find happiness.
Because of this conspiracy, I cannot find a girlfriend. That's right! This
is all because of the Jews. Because the Jews are scheming away out there,
I can't find happiness. Damn you, Jews! I won't forgive you!"
Truthfully, this kind of thinking also inconveniences Jewish people.
All conspiracy theorists need to look a little more closely at reality.
"Enemies" don't exist externally. "Evil" does not exist externally. One
has to assume blame oneself for being a worthless person.
It's definitely not a Jewish conspiracy, nor a CIA conspiracy, and—
obvious as this may be—it's not an alien conspiracy. Before all else, one
needs to keep this fact firmly in mind while living one's life.
Even so. . .
A tiny percentage of people actually have stumbled upon a real
conspiracy. There is, in fact, one person who witnessed with his own
eyes a conspiracy that exists, at this very moment, in the most extreme
secrecy.

Who is this person?
It’s me.

>>141280
ive been telling anyone who'll listen
deletards
are
dumb

>>141283
>However, the largest source of rage is his own personal cowardice. He is poor because he lacks the skill with which to earn money. He has no girlfriend because he lacks charisma. But the process of seeing this truth and acknowledging his own incompetence requires quite a bit of courage.
Rewritten from the perspective of a rich bureaucrat: The poor are only poor because of their own cowardice, and lack of skill with which to earn a wage at a great company like mine. They often don't even have girlfriends because they're so incompetent and uncharismatic. If only they had the courage to work at my company 8 hours/day, 345 days/year I would graciously give them enough to live off of. Can't they see how much better that is than how people lived before the industrial revolution?!

>>141296
primitivist-kun...............

I made it as far as Satou did, got the job so I wouldn't starve or need to move back in with the parents.

If everyone gave you a right to live without doing anything then people would start reproducing more creating more kids and then at some point people would need to start working. The marxist philosophy you try to promote is just a feel good bastardization where you want to pretend to be nobility because someone will pay for your lifestyle.
A real human is trying to succeed, not escape. NHK is all about failures.

I thought NHK was about not sticking your ween in cute menhera freaks.

>>141339
You should always stick your ween in menhera freaks, you just don't marry them.

>>141338
A real human wants to be happy, not a servant of rich capitalists, rich communists or rich socialists. Being successful means enjoying your life, not working all day so you can pretend to be nobility with lots of expensive luxuries for the few hours a day that you're not working. The vast majority of the population are dumb masochistic normalfags that will choose to slave their lives away no matter what anyone like me tries to tell them, so civilization isn't going to fall apart just because some people choose to be NEETs and enjoy our lives. Even if it did somehow fall apart because of NEETs that's okay because it's shit.

>>141342
Retirement is earned, not given. People aren't that kind, no one will give you that using their dollars unless they're familly.

>>141343
There are many ways to live without getting a job and I'm not going to try to list them as it depends on where you live and what opportunities are available to you, but I agree that becoming a beggar is a bad choice.

>>141344
yeah. I'm not saying that what someone does has to be the best for society, and I think a certain youtube person said it best: You probably don't want to even be working with these people who don't want to work.
But in the context of NHK where the protagonist collects cash from his parents and watches all of his friend circle and their dreams fall apart... the idea is that having their financial needs fulfilled doesn't mean that things are solved.

actually, the more I think about it. NHKs message is that people's fulfillment isn't tied to their ability to earn money. The pyramid scheme arc reminds me of this messaging. You can debate if the arc was a happy end or not, but what I agree with from the author is that the happy end was not about the money

>>141235
Went out and got myself a nice splitting log for the wood. Now all that’s left is for it to dry. In the meantime asked a landscaping friend of my father about some dead trees on a property they have. So should still be able to use it this year.

Feels kinda nice getting materials for my own BBQ. Though not sure I’ll go the extra mile to get a cow to butcher because I’m not too into killing animals. Would rather just get my meat from a butcher.

>>141338
We are in the middle of a trend of guys dropping out of the workforce to get by on welfare/parents and they don't reproduce at all because they don't have the resources to waste doing anything but loafing around the house watching youtube. There needs to be a gap where those that don't work can't survive and those that do work generate enough excess to raise children.

>>141346
The message is about not enabling people. NEETism is a drug, they desperately try to justify their addiction with mental gymnastics even when everyone around them can see their lives are falling apart because of it. They don't have the willpower to break out of the spiral on their own, so you have to cut them off and let the physical damage to their bodies force them to get past it.

>>141227
no idea how anyone could be a NEET without leeching off their parents

>>143390
Autismbux? Although I'm not really sure how it works or if it's even possible in my country.

>>143390
you can probably be a neet if you make money on stocks/crypto, but then you could also be a homeless neet if you do that

>>143488
I'm not handicapped so I'm ignorant about government handouts and their rules. most people aren't autistic, but many are living unemployed somehow; the numbers don't add up.
>>143492
...I'm also ignorant about those trades, but I highly doubt most anons shitposting on 4chan were living off stocks/crypto.

>>141236
>It responded by giving me a week of sneezing and coughing constantly so I couldn't even go in to work and became more hikki.
cute sickly kissuer

>>141227
I am trying to get a job with my useless degree.
I am not a NEET by choice. Job market for IT is just extremely bad.
I really am trying but not even a single interview has come my way after hundreds of applications. Its demoralizing.

>>141227
I just completed an electrician cert II course and I think I'll do a cooking one next. I've been a NEET for 10 years but nowadays I just feel like I need to return to education for now and upskill and become a reliable man for the people around me. When I feel ready I want to eventually become a mortuary assistant and get off the autismbux

>>143986
Electricians are tradespeople who will only be more necessary as time goes on, nice!

But also make sure whenever you actually get a job you don't listen to anyone who tells you to ignore safety regulations or do something in a hastily manner, those old bastards aren't looking out for you at all and have grown pigheaded in the way they think things should work. Always make sure your own safety comes first so you can live a nice long life!

i just sent all the paperwork the military wanted from me, wish me luck bros

>>144058
hope you can avoid an all-out war

>>144060
my preferences are logistics in both the airforce and army and they were listed as non combat so im pretty sure i dont have to worry about that

>>141227
I attend raves now and then and it's sometimes fun, sometimes really distressing. When girls flirt with me I either don't know what to do to respond, or I don't realise it until afterwards, and this is also really nerve-wracking.

>>141448
no this is not correct. nobody is a NEET by choice, people who think they are are just highly traumatized and need to cope about it. Being a NEET is a product of things going very wrong. Trying to force people out of it is just going to further traumatize and destroy them.

People should want to do things, its the fact that they dont want to that is an indication that there is a problem somewhere. Some people have different levels of self awareness. For example some NEETs might be full neetlife ideology because its too scary to take in the magnitude of whats wrong with them, others might realize that they would like to function in society and understand that there are more specific problems stopping them. What ever the case a normal person does not want to be a NEET, and every NEET is a normal person with psychological problems.
The first step to healing is realizing that there is a problem.

Now what are these problems? Full on hikikomoris are one kind of NEET. Its true that some people fall into NEETism later on, but this should not be mistaken as simple lazyness, rather it has to do with how things they encounter in their life have been processed. Society and some of its mechanisms are a hassle and not really optimized, so a person who has been able to do fine might just have run into one of those and it was too taxing on their psychology. This is not to say those parts of society are good, in fact they are often parts that everyone complains about, but some people reach their coping limit trying to deal with them.
Changing society would be ideal, but its not so easy, healing the self is easier and has many benefits. In this way the solution for all kinds of neets is to heal the self.

The way to heal the self is not to be forced to survive. That can produce a surviving organism but its going to screw it up even more as its forced to adopt all kinds of false selves to deal with things.

I recommend people check out john bradshaw the family series. Its on youtube.
complete episode 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey5aqdkWfno
playlist with the rest: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4wA21d2cgvEoCnGkVBFG-RrQA-qGxaD-

Its a good first step in a long journey

>>141227
I got uni, but besides that nothing. I don't go out and I don't have any friends. I wish I could just work a small job to support myself and remain at home, but you know, family obligations and all that. I haven't lived for myself, I'll never be free.

>>141227
I'm now a stable wagie working a regular 9-5. I've also gotten fit and lost all my excess weight. Overall I'm doing pretty well compared to how I was before! Only thing I guess I'm really missing right now is a lover.

>>141227
I asked for my old job back and I think i'll get it back, so it's over for me

I got a job some years ago out of necessity that no longer exists. It doesn't require much communication so I don't talk to people for the most part. Just show up do my work and go home. My lifestyle hasn't changed outside of work. I still stay inside, I just have more money for cool toys.

j*b
w*rk

>>141227
I still spend ~95% of my time off work just stuck in my room and ignoring everyone else. I'd be more upset about it if it wasn't what I wanted to do though.

when im at home i dont want to leave
when im outside i dont want to go home

i'm thirsty but all the water bottles within reach are either empty or piss bottles i guess this is how i die

>>147570
there's nothing wrong with drinking fresh piss

>>147343
A video of a baby senpai babbling about religious nonsense to his cult following of insane old cat ladies isn't going to help anyone. I'm a NEET because I don't enjoy working and I'm not a masochist so no amount of drill sergeant/dominatrix talk about how I don't deserve things or that I owe anything to society is going to convince me to work.

>>147583
the video is entirely secular and his theories about family dynamics and how we develop into people seem to be really insightful, if one wanted to take a psychological framework its pretty good. The video has nothing directly to do with NEETs.

>>147583
>PBS
>Religious nonsense
Highly unlikely.

If you work, you die.

>>147665
I watched 1 minute of it and he started talking about saints and halos and everyone in the room looks old, it closely resembles a church