No.123142
>>123131>I was too shy to ask directly.cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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No.123149
>>123107>But economically, if the obvious solution of hiring more people to look at /biz/What do you mean? I hate using this phrase, but they literally do it for free.
They have no excuse other than wanting to implement this.
No.123152
>>123149There is a limited pool of people who hate 4chan enough to cut it as janitors/mods. It's entirely plausible that they have trouble recruiting more willing slaves.
No.123157
>>123152When was the last time they did a recruitment drive?
No.123179
>>123131>But to assume that Hiro paid for this site for any other reason than to make money would be wildly naive.4chan is not a profit engine, it's a good month if it barely pays for itself
No.123181
>>123179Are you really going to argue that Hiro just loves the community of 4chan that much?
No.123187
>>123179That may have been true 10 years ago when moot was running a site he made to have fun with a community he was part of, there is absolutely no reason to think it's true today when it's run by a guy who has never engaged with the community in a meaningful way and who consistently makes decisions aimed at increasing revenue through ads and pass sales.
No.123567
>>123566I really really like this image
No.123571
EXPONENTIALITY
No.123572
though i suppose we'd have to ask the /biz/ anonymous about it since as a stranger at least it's hard for me to tell what the impact was beyond speed
No.123579
>>123577Barely, and at the same time as /biz/ posts are going down, so are /bant/. /biz/ on /bant/ is going to be a short lived phenomena outside of maybe 4 generals that might stick around for a while. /bant/ doesn't even have that much /biz/ posts anymore. Most of them are just gonna start posting about non-/biz/ stuff instead and likely go to some other board eventually.
No.123603
>>123569Won't they undo the change if it's clearly so unpopular?
No.123605
rest in piss /biz/
*pours out lukewarm steel reserve mixed with spit on the grave*
No.123612
>>123603If they cared what the users wanted, they wouldn't have done it in the first place.
No.123614
>>123612The question here not being what the users want, but what keeps the number of users high, which is (presumably) what Hiro wants.
No.123618
>>123614What he wants (presumably) is money and ad-blocking, non-pass-buying users are a drain on resources you only accept because they help attract paying customers. If the board went from 20% pass users at 100% total users to 100% pass users at 30% total users then that's a net profit for him. That might hurt long-term prospects, but he might not need to worry about the long-term.
No.123620
>>123618But this is 10% users, and it is not clear to me that they are all pass payers or turning their adblock off for 4chan.
In fact, it's doubtful that even these guys will stay there, given how dead the board is now.
This is assuming that the lost posters were 100% genuine human beings, and not bots that were ruining the board for everybody. I can't judge that. I haven't used /biz/ except for a few short weeks after its creation.
No.123815
HERRO?
I LOOK FOR SEKRET JP
IS THE JP HERE THE RIGHT JP?
I HEARD IT IS BERRY TENGU
No.123819
>>123815Secret /jp/? No idea what that could mean. If you mean the one associated with a guy that avatarfagged as Aya then it's on zzzchan.xyz
No.124057
>>122016Just lie until that lie becomes the fact.
Truth is a matter of perspective.
No.124058
>>122770Reddit offers more valuable insights and whatnot.
Why the dispreference?
No.124060
>>124058Not that anon, but any forum that comes with up- and downvotes is a no-go for me.
No.124064
Is GNFOS gone for good?
I'm starting to think that turning it into a gambling site isn't just one of T's "gags".
Feels bad man..
It's probably my fault GNFOS died. I kept laughing at him whenever he failed a quest in MonHun.
I should've played with him / carried him into MR.
No.124066
>>124064Nah fuck him, let him be a bitch and lick his wounds for a year or two, it'll come back.
No.124067
>>124064I don't see how he gets the domain back after this, so maybe.
No.124068
>>124064I think more than that him focusing on his new job was what pushed him to sell it. He finally normed out
No.124074
>>124060The jurisdiction of this site is a democratic state.
Regardless the content is still there for you to see.
You are freely able to sort by any way you wish for.
No.124076
>>124074I am not sure what you are trying to say. Please clarify.
No.124127
Since we have a couple of weeks of data and nearing the one month mark since the change by this point, we can see now that the board's activity is completely down for good and
>>123579 was right about most of what he said although I disagree that the /biz/ on /bant/ is not going strong, /smg/ was one of the fastest general threads there and the stock market is always dynamic so I don't see it changing, it's going to continue existing. /bant/ itself though barely budged upwards, all that traffic /biz/ had is just lost completely forever. It may be a good thing since most of that was crypto after all, and they have refocused to post and advertise grassroots elsewhere. I think that the concerns about who was exactly lost may have been overblown in that case. But it isn't clear if that actually impacted Hiro's bottom line here. Given that he hasn't rolled it back immediately, he may not care at this point, and there is a real danger I would say he may be considering it on other boards.
No.124128
>>124127Hmm, looking at April /bant/ there it does seem to have reached the activity levels of say, January-February /biz/, with its hovering around 10k which is actually a fair big bigger than the last several months that were closer to 5k~7k, and it may be that the last couple days' decrease is just a regular fluctuation, but it is undeniable that /biz/ is turbomegadead by comparison. Still can't comment on the board's contents though, maybe that one /biz/raeli here can chime in once more.
No.124130
Huh, I just noticed that /biz/ used to have the opposite cycle from /a/, with activity dropping over the weekend rather than rising.
Meanwhile, /s4s/ didn't seem to have a real weekend pattern at all, until /biz/ exploded.
I wonder if /s4s/ was just an amalgamation of other boards' random excess traffic and thus unable to express any real patterns. But then, its speed is way too consistent to be just a result of incidental activity bursts. So, I guess that means that the board has more NEETs than other boards.
No.124132
>>124130Makes sense since the stock market and other market activities are only open on weekdays. Only crypto is 24/7. But yeah, that is now affecting those boards for better or worse.
No.124159
>>124076NTA but maybe he's referring to using any sub you want? which is not the best idea bc the whole site is just ironic and unfunny, or at least 80 percent of plebbit is. if you're lucky to find a (very)smaller one then it's decent i guess(??) if you manage to weed out underage/stupid people on your own. still not good for general discussion though.
>>124132wait /s4s/ is faster now?
No.124177
>>124159>NTA but maybe he's referring to using any sub you want?How would that be a sensible response to somebody who rejects some key functionality of the site?
I didn't even say that I disliked any particular subreddit or community there.
No.124215
uh why is gnfos a turkish sports betting casino now
No.124216
>>124215Read up in the thread, dummy. Well, no one really has an answer since you know what everyone else does, I.E nothing:
>>122595 >>124064 No.124217
>>124216Trevor sold it to a turkish gambling company after he got owned by an Elder Dragon on MHW while streaming and laughed at for it.
No.124218
>>124216Yeah it really is just this:
>>124217 No.124219
>>124217that logic tracks, i also sell my property to turks when i lose in video games
No.124220
I think he just set it up for sale, I remember it being vacant for a bit before the Turk showed up, but I may be remembering it wrong and I don't know how this stuff works.
No.124259
>>124258What was it and why did it die?
No.124260
>>124259An original tinyboard version of polish imageboard wilchan.org before they switched to custom software in 2019. It was almost 10 year old. Terminated because of possible vulnerabilities of tinyboard. Now redirects to main page.
No.124261
>>124260someone's brought it up, but they're always these hypothetical ideas that the tinyboard chain of imboards have issues, but no one exploits them. it's not a great software for many reasons, but security has been at it for a while, and just prevent any buffer overflows and the worst that they find is some sort of bug
No.124326
>>124325AI is kind of a reverse video game, where you give the computer a task and then evaluate its performance.
Maybe the thread belongs on /^/.
No.124327
>>124326nvm I thought they banned it because they got tired of it on /v/ but it seems like the mod didn't recognize tracer because the OP image was in a different style
No.124363
Unfortunately I think a lot of the activity loss will be permanent. A lot of people moved on. On the 11th of May there was almost less than one thousand posts on the board the whole day.
No.124365
>>124364Credit goes to my friend who opened the catalog at the time it got posted then messaged it to me so fast that it still said 1 minute by the time I took the screenshot.
This happened exactly 30 days since
>>123030. I wonder why they didn't cave sooner, or why they didn't just trial the 15 minute wait time in the beginning. There would probably be almost no backlash to waiting on posting from a new IP. They really messed up.
No.124367
>>124363That's true, but at least it's a cultural victory for anonimity in imageboards. Had this succeeded, who knows if it wouldn't have been expanded to other boards and adopted by other websites. At least it was a quick defeat for a retarded idea.
No.124375
>>124365still possible that the "caving" was planned and the intent was to get a benchmark of how much activity would be lost and what sort of users would actually verify emails
No.124377
>>124375With a company like facebook, I'd believe that instantly.
4chan doesn't have the knowhow to meaningfully evaluate the data, I'd reckon. But they might team up with somebody else. That's the sort of accusation that people have been raising against Hiro from the beginning, anyway.
No.124397
>>124363People may return because of the Gamestop short squeeze is back
No.124398
>>124375It doesn't make much sense though. /biz/ is one of the most expensive boards to advertise on because shitcoins have high competition.
>>124397That's not a good thing. We want them to leave.
No.124408
>>124367i don't see how this was a win. it was a pretty minor thing & i doubt they were going to expand it to other boards.
>>124375it's plausible but
>>124377can't they just check 4stats?
why wouldn't they monitor their site activity?
No.124410
>>124408>can't they just check 4stats?They can do that, sure. And the archive too. But directly reading raw data does not give you the wealth of meta information that I thought
>>124375 was referring to.
No.124441
>>124440Best guess: he's a smug loli
No.124442
>>124440No clue, doesn't seem to reply to anyone anywhere. Might as well be a bot.
No.124444
Actually, it seems they made at least a few replies in that junku thread. Not just 5357, but also 5320 and 5169, 5166, then around 5459 more exchanges about the community over there and how "literally only us 3 know about [some other dude]." But I stopped reading around that point with how mindnumbingly boring and inconsequential it is, and I really can't tell if that's actually all just one guy or multiple people posting the same things, in any case it's the most teablogger replies I've seen yet.
No.124450
>>123179You guys are forgetting about what the Japanese anons tried to warn us of when Hiro took over. Mainly, that he's been caught selling user data multiple times to the highest bidder. We know multiple boards are run by the American Government and moderated by the American alphabets. We know they are analyzing all the metadata they collect from users on there everyday. We know they use bot swarms and paid posters to push agendas and it's obvious those bots/people are all pass users (or at least have the same access) because they're never banned and allowed to run rampant. They are what's killed one board after another. Heck most of the boards are just straight ads now disguised as threads.
I'm not saying you can't find one or two good threads and a few real good people there. I'm just saying it's a business run like any other social media website. They're studying the users every way possible. The embedded javascript probably tracks you mouse movements and everything. I know of a few "underground" websites/forums that do exactly what.
For the most part I don't post on 4chan at all anymore. Maybe once a month on /a/ to post an update about something I'm working on and try to get feedback.
Moot sold us out to Google. Hiro is just a face for who's really running things. I'm sure he's paid well to be that face and take the blame should anything really bad happen. Moderation is insufferable even on boards like /a/ now. Doesn't matter if you're civil or not. You say the wrong thing and you're going and I'm not talking about low effort /pol/ stuff either.
In fact, I would highly advise you use it as little as possible. I've noticed it has started setting even more cookies lately for no reason. One of these days I'll take a good look at the javascript that's basically required to lurk now.
No.124453
>>124440>>124442he has replied to me twice, be nice.
No.124454
>>124453it seems im one of the few who dont mind his presence, im only curious not malicious.
No.124477
The Frog Pond site which was spammed everywhere (including here) is down
No.124479
>>124453The usual reaction is that if you're going out of your way to blog about the most meaningless stuff and copypasting it across a couple dozen sites while hardly replying to anyone then that's either trolling or attention whoring, I think it makes sense for people to dislike it. Ate banana on an industrial scale. It's interesting that he put it up on /secret/, but even there it feels like the only objective is to take up space.
>>124477Last time I checked they had a thread where one guy made a parody edit of the /qa/ train pic. It was rather interesting to see.
No.124483
>>124454he's like whatmin except his posts are maginally less inane
No.124490
>>124479ritualposting can be annoying depending on how eerie and botlike it is but I like some of the images he posts and he was nice >.<. I agree with you, overall.
No.124508
don't mind the tea guy personally
No.124509
>>124490Notably, he's not ritualposting. He's keeping a tea-diary, with some humor (and multiple copies).
No.124522
>>124509A diary would have more information. He intentionally makes posts that are as banal as possible. It's shitposting any way you slice it.
No.124545
>>124440I think its a sane assumption to presume he's from /tea/. Tea? /jp/ shit? Blogging? All fit /tea/ to a T.
No.124842
So, uhh, does/did anyone here use tohno-chan? It was brought up a recent discussion and I decided to go look at it, but...
https://tohno-chan.com/Maybe this happens now and then and I'm unaware of something, but it could also be bad news. I think it has a twitter account, but that stuff is locked away to me since nitter died.
No.124843
>>124842Works on my end, maybe you need to remove the s since it's throwing me a security risk though.
No.124844
>>124843Oh, huh. It does work for me in a different browser (firefox) as long as I manually type in the url without the S, yeah. Huh. Pretty strange. Can't say I've ever seen such an error before with the host seemingly denying that the site exists at all.
No.124850
>>124842>>124844If the certs are broken and they're using MitM/anti-ddos then you're probably getting that error message from the MitM server. The site is still there but https traffic isn't getting through to it. But http is.
No.124857
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Doge is kill. Gone to join longcat.
No.124858
>>124857I heard at least a year ago that it's been overdue with quite a low quality of life due to greatly deteriorating health. It's for the best.
There's plenty of new cat celebrities, but I'm not aware of any dog ones.
No.124875
>>124857reminds me of the mortality of my dog...
No.125079
>>124477It's been resurrected under a different name and now redirects to the new site.
No.126577
I posted this in a blog thread here, but I got blocked due to "spam" (blog thread abuse?). it's not a happening but I don't what other thread to talk about this (and I don't think it's worth making a new thread for). can someone explain what the fuck pic related means?
>>124450>Moderation is insufferable even on boards like /a/ now. Doesn't matter if you're civil or not. You say the wrong thing and you're going and I'm not talking about low effort /pol/ stuff either.it really seems like that right now
No.126578
>>126577Mods can make mistakes too. Come back when your appeal is denied. (and take their advice to heart - even if they have wrongfully banned you, insulting them won't do you any good)
As a side note, I am surprised you can already see the appeal form. The way I remember it, it should be locked for the first 3 days of your ban and only become available after 72 hours.
No.126579
>>126578i think it's a confusion that bans under three days don't ever get it.
No.126581
>>126579I've gotten a bunch of lengthy bans over the years, and I distinctly remember having to wait to make my case - usually that they wrongfully accused me of ban-evasion, which the already passed waiting period itself proved wrong.
So, I'm pretty sure that I do not remember wrong.
No.126582
>>126578I appealed earlier today; I didn't insult anyone. anyway, I think I will post about 4chan stuff here from now on. I really miss having /nah/ threads on the original /qa/ for stuff like this.
No.126602
>>126577He probably thought you were trying to summon barneyfag, who is somehow still doing his thing 10 years after its had any relevancy. And, while mods are garbage and ruining the site, considering you were on /s4s/ and typing like a retard, I'm not confident that's not exactly what you were trying to do.
No.126626
>>126581>>126582The moderation on 4chan is so insufferable now I don't even bother to appeal. I reset my router+modem to get a fresh IP by spoofing the MAC address on the router and go about my business. I don't think they even check posts anymore. If you send enough reports you can get banned for anything.
Technically, it is against the rules. But I try really hard to stay within their unjust rules when I do post there (maybe once a month now). Even then I frequently catch a ban because someone wants to argue. Then they dog pile from what I assume are discord servers. I've noticed I'll get banned for the exact same thing the other side of the argument is doing but they're never punished.
It's obvious there is a mod club and if you aren't in it or friendly with it you get banned for 3 days - months. Same thing they used to do on IRC. It's just on discord now.
I honestly don't find much value. The small boards are starting to get as bad as the large boards got a few years ago. Of course everything after about 2007 isn't that great.
No.126633
>>126626I agree but I can’t evade, apparently. leaving my router disconnected all night won’t reset the IP address. I remember it used to work with just 10-15 minutes of being disconnected. I also have gotten banned multiple times due to someone else mass-reporting, and just bullshit reasons in general.
No.126673
I feel like every decision the mod team makes (incognito removed, IP count removed, 50 captchas, etc.) is meant to cater towards little kids who have the time to wait through just to make the site worse. I wish I could hear it straight from their mouths that they really want that kind of awful crowd.
>>125079man what the hell? fucking feds I wish they'd leave the damn 20 year olds alone.
No.126675
>>126673>incognito removed>50 captchasElaborate? I haven't used 4chan recently.
>IP count removedAs far as I am concerned, they should never have introduced the IP counter. It only worked to reveal the laziest of samefags, the ones that aren't even malicious, such as OPs trying to give their threads a little kickstart.
No.126691
>4 posts getting deleted for criticizing koreans/calling them "gooks" on /a/
really weird change in moderation. I've used that term all the time up until now. I wonder if "chinks" is taboo now too.
No.126696
>>126695I only really use one thread but yeah, it is so in that particular thread
No.126697
such freedom of speech restrictions that you're not allowed to talk about japanese politics on /a/
No.126699
>>126633Do you spoof the MAC address of your PC or router connected to your modem? A lot of ISPs are getting very restrictive now. They recently replaced the modem/router combo of a family member here. I can't even get into the admin panel of it. They want you to call them and tech support logs in remotely. A large security hole waiting to happen.
They claim you can configure it yourself from their cell phone app. But I don't have a cell phone anymore. Logging in from the local ip (192.168.0.1) just redirects you to a support page that tells you to call them or download the cell phone app. I'm not letting them replace my modem if I can help it.
I've been thinking about buying my own modem. There is a list of like 3 you can use on the ISPs network. But it's a pain to get them to approve the use of them.
>>126691Half the mod team of /a/ are gooks now that use the
>no racism outside of /b/rule to unjustly ban people. That rule and another are use as justification to ban people everywhere these days. The mods don't play fair on 4chan. If you aren't in the clique you'll catch a ban for doing exactly the same thing they're doing in threads. You can always tell a mod is lurking when a heated debate is happening. They'll delete one sides posts that make up half of the thread and issue 3 day - 3 month bans to silence them.
In other words. You aren't allowed to joke about anything anymore. One side can throw around racist and vulgar insults and the other can't. You can complain about certain people (e.g. whites, straights, Americans, Japanese, senpais) but if you joke about others (e.g. gays, transexuals, blacks, Koreans, Jews) you'll eat the ban.
The only people that apply for mod positions now are the exact types you don't want to have access to mod tools.
No.126700
>>126699kohais must learn to respect their senpais if they are to post
No.126702
>>126699unfortunately I am tech illiterate so I don’t know about that spoofing/MAC address stuff. I just remember evading used to be easy but my folks have changed their internet provider from time to time and I think that may have changed something. and from my experience, 99% of bans are 3 days so it’s just short enough to deny the right to appeal. I remember getting banned for commenting about another user (the official reason was “off-topic” although I did use a racial slur). strangely enough, that user in particular CONSTANTLY blogposts about his life and blatantly off-topic shit like his affairs and his ruined marriages (he is attention-starved); he’s never once had his posts deleted from my time in those threads. He once remarked that the moderation team likes him, and in hindsight, I think he was a janny.
>>126700that’s a very strange filter to have on kissu. I wonder what it was.
test: spic
No.126703
>>126702He probably was a janitor or even a mod. They have an in-group and let people in that group break the rules constantly.
Spoofing a MAC address isn't that hard depending on what kind of router you have. Most of them have an option to change the MAC address somewhere in the settings. After you change it you simply reboot the ISP's modem. Usually by unplugged it from a power source and waiting about 10 seconds to plug it back in. When it reboots it'll see the device connected to it has a different MAC address. This will force the ISP's network to assign your modem a new IP address.
My local ISP has two ranges (e.g. 165.x.x.x and 89.x.x.x). It's sometimes useful to keep resetting the modem until I get an address in the range I want. Since they do not allow you to run servers on home connections and block them if you're in the same range as other people. But if you're on a different range than your clients it works for whatever reason. I have to ensure I'm not in the same range as friends and family that access my media server and locally hosted website.
I don't have to reset mine much for 4chan unless I catch an unjust ban on /a/. Which I only post on at most twice a month now whenever I announce something I've created is up for download. I learned a few years ago that it was useless to post on most of the boards. /g/ in particular is really bad now. Almost anything of value to be discussed is an instant ban and the mods are lurking it all of the time. Which is why the board has mostly become a place to shill products. When I tried to announce and get help for my fork of Gentoo I was banned for 3 days constantly.
You're right. They abuse the 3-day ban because you can't appeal it. This way the admins never see complaints (not that they care). Mods use a lot of underhanded methods like that. On some smaller alt-chans they'll ban you and claim you posted pizza. Since the admins don't want to verify and look at such posts to see if they were really pizza they take the mods word for it. Most of the time they couldn't verify it anyway. As such posts are purged from the database instantly. Since everyone is paranoid about having pizza on the server at all (with good reason).
Finding honest moderation is really hard. The people you want doing it are the last that'll apply for the position because they don't want the headache. The people you don't want doing it are the first to apply because they want the power. Now a days a lot of mods are paid anyway. Since it's a great way to subvert or kill a board. Most people are not interested in real discussion anymore. The owners are interested in turning a profit and faking user stats. They bow to advertisers because they're making bank off the adds and the shill posts. This has been a long standing problem going all the way back to when people first started embedding google ads into web pages. Since they didn't want to get kicked out of google's network they started implementing rules against free speech. Back in the early-mid 2000s some forum admins were making upwards to $10k a month just off google ads alone. Even smaller forums were making several hundred-thousands of dollars if they embedded google ads. Some forums were being auctioned off for $20k+ because people knew they could make it back off ad money in just a few months. I knew several people that owned 20-50 forums all running google ads. Some of them were making over $250k a year in ad money alone until google blacklisted all the forums and started re-directing people to social media websites like reddit, facebook and the others.
No.126704
>>126702>that’s a very strange filter to have on kissu. I wonder what it was.I would tell you but I've already forgotten.
No.126707
>>126703alright, I guess if my appeal gets denied: I’ll look into changing the MAC address. my WiFi is used by a lot of people so I’d rather not tamper with it too much to avoid fucking something up and ruining it for everyone. not surprising that everything ends up being about money. I could go on about unfair bans but it would never end.
No.126715
>>126707All that will happen is your users will think the internet is down for about 2 minutes or so. Once the modem reboots and fetches a new IP everything will just werk as always.
>>126713Ah of course. I only used it as an example. But it is hating on an entire group of people. So I included it as an example of a group that's a-okay to hate.
>>126714Some anons were complaining about this in some threads I was lurking a few months ago. I can't remember what thread they were posting in now. But they were basically saying that anyone that criticized Korea was getting the old mod treatment. They were claiming censorship.
It was probably for that Korean anime that aired back in the winter. I know some anons that were laughing about its ratings got banned for no reason.
No.126734
>>126691Racism being persecuted is not exactly new.
What is new is that the moderation is so selective that it feels out of place.
You can really tell what the mods don't care about, what discussions mods want to shut down and what threads mods have turned into their personal strongholds.
The rules at this point are little more than tools to achieve the desired purpose.
No.126752
>>126714Anonymous.... this wasn't a mod deletion, it was someone remaking their post because they accidentally deleted the last number from their quotelink, making them quote a thread from fifteen years ago:
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/267529619/#267560219None of the old posts were actually deleted either, that's a 4chanX problem.
Anyways, as slow as the happenings thread is nowadays, I don't think using it to complain about random moderation on 4chan is anything worthwhile. There's nothing new to say about it.
No.126753
>>126752my bad, didnt think a chain of deleted replies would be because of some typo
No.126800
>>124842I posted on it once and my post was removed.
No.126957
>>126800what did you even post to get it removed
>>126939I’ve never been a /biz/ user but I’m sorry it happened to a board you cared about. Now I really haven’t touched the site in a while, wonder if they’ll ever rollback half the bullshit the mods have decided to take so people can come back.
No.126973
>>126957>what did you even post to get it removedI dont know. It was a year or so i posted on there. I just posted something along with a picture and it was removed.
No.126993
>>126970What kind of attack was it?
No.126994
your classic hiroyuki attack
No.126995
>>126970Long overdue tbh. They put timeshift and all this membership bs but wont even update their damn infrastructure.
No.127005
>>126999I once had the opposite happen to me. Came back after a 3 day ban, only to be met with the appeal page, for a 30 day ban.
I was so mad that I just wrote a long and angry rant. Didn't really work out for me.
Good for you, though.
No.128911
>>126691>>126699Old mods understood the difference between using casual racism as a shibboleth and full on rants.
Literally "shibboleth" was the word A-San would throw around in irc.
No.129456
>>126970>>126977Kadokawa didn't pay the ransom so they're releasing the data.
https://matomebu.com/wadai/kadokawa20240702/ No.129471
>>129456That sucks... I guess? Will it affect anything or is it just embarrassing to some executives? I imagine Japanese IT security stuff is even worse than Western IT security stuff so these Russians could simply disable the entirety of the Japanese media industry if they wanted to, but with Kadokawa and presumably NND refusing to comply then maybe they'll aim somewhere else? Fuck those guys.
No.129485
>>129484Do you have anything to say about your twitter link? Let's not turn into the 4chan twitter-links-instead-
of-discussion thing...
No.129486
>>129484So it's a imageboard but with some NFT crypto trash attached? Yuck
No.129488
>>129484I guess this is how you win at life these days, just make get rich quick scams and sell the means for other people to scam each other.
No.129491
>>129486>>129487It seems when you do the captcha, it resends the message? Or perhaps, I double clicked the submit button and that caused the captcha for the second message.
No.129494
From what I can gather it reminds me of systemspace (the cult-like nature), agora road (faux nostalgia from people that weren't alive for it) and some general r9k/biz stuff, although that just might be general internet culture at the point. Since money is involved and it's closed off then it's safe to say the numbers are fabricated as there is a monetary incentive to do so.
It's weird to think of how much of this iconography exists because some guy decided to make a fumo mod for roblox or something and it exposed kids everywhere to something they otherwise never would have seen.
No.129495
>>129491Seems like everyone involved (on twitter, at least) is all crypto web3 people, bleh
No.129773
>>129484Ah, a place with posting requirements more convoluted than Kohlchan finally appears.
No.130845
>>129484I always thought monetizing an imageboard was possible but not like this. Crypto is useless.
No.130879
>>129488Every way to "get ahead" requires doing something evil. Honest people never "get ahead".
No.130978
>>130976v killed it as part of his jong rampage
No.130998
>>130939i instinctively dislike those stupid big eyed avatars they use
No.131006
oh wait did anyone click on the master plan button? or is that new? well it links to this pdf on archivedotorg:
https://archive.org/details/miladychan-master-plan/mode/2upamong other controversial items, the doc makes it very clear that they have a goal to build up a starting group with which to foster belonging and anchor the community around well beyond the point where the site has gone public, so it says in section II, STRATEGIES:
>GATED TRIBAL BOARDS>THE TRIBAL COMMUNITY BOARDS WILL REMAIN GATED TO REMILIA HOLDERS, PROVIDING A SEMI-PRIVATE VIP SPACE TO HELP ENSURE A CORE COMMUNITY DYNAMIC IS DEFINED.>4CHAN EXPERIMENTED WITH THIS WITH THE VIP PASS BUT IT WAS A REVERSAL SINCE IT WAS PROVIDED LONG AFTER THE CORE COMMUNITY HAD BEEN WASHED OUT BY CANCER AND MOSTLY PURCHASED BY THE SAME.>SINCE OUR COMMUNITY FORMED PRIOR TO THE PLATFORM, THIS SERVES AS A GENUINE OG SPACE.>AND AS WE’VE ALWAYS DEFINED OUR COMMUNITY AS ONE BEYOND THE ACTUAL NFT HOLDERS, WE’LL PROVIDE EXCEPTIONS TO THE MILADY VILLAGE DISCORD AT A CERTAIN USER LEVEL OF POSTING.i'd imagine they discussed this to death well before it became public and they are all conscious of what they're doing (future projections notwithstanding)
don't really understand how this works, a single remilia token costs less than dust and many trades go by a dozen bucks or little more, but in their
achievements page there are some cheevos that cost a real fucking lot of money
i like the bgm though been listening to it for half an hour
as for the numbers, their discord invite link previews 2.4k people online atm and 13k members which would explain the 15k posts boasted about on
>>129484, particularly since it's a live board, so that by itself i find believable
HOWEVER, its comparison to 4chan becomes dubious even if the numbers are true when you consider that an absence of captchas is guaranteed (for now), and we do not know the nature of the posts being made
in any case, they're also interested in actively harnessing the trend towards generals towards this end, another great generator:
>THE CLASSIC WESTERN IMAGEBOARD, 4CHAN, EXPERIENCED A DRASTIC CHANGE IN ITS POSTING CHARACTER ONCE IT GREW PAST A CERTAIN INFLECTION POINT WHERE BOARDS BECAME DOMINATED BY THE “GENERALS” AS A RESULT OF HIGH POSTING FREQUENCY.>THE “GENERAL” IS MORE EFFICIENTLY SERVED BY THE REALTIME FORMAT AS AN ACTIVE SYNCHRONOUS CHATROOM OF REOCCURING PSEUDONYMOUS REGULARS.>THIS WOULD THEN ALLOW THE TRADITIONAL IMAGEBOARD THREAD TO THRIVE BY PROVIDING IT AS A STATIC CONSTRUCT.you can't deny it's a modern platform, that much is true
honestly, i might jump in their server and start asking stuff out of curiousity, it could be an interesting exercise
there is certainly an attempt being made
>>130998i take it it's on purpose, looking at this option from the [milady meme maker]
No.131011
>>130998If it was sincere I could like them even though they're derivative, but it's obviously meant to invoke the sincerity and innocence of older internet cultures (obvious in the image here
>>131006) for the purpose of scamming and other chicanery. Wolf in sheep's clothing and all that. It's terrible enough to get multiple /biz/ threads:
https://boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/58754308 https://boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/58743981 https://boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/58736792At best it's misguided and at worst it's evil. We can only be curious and poke fun at it because we're confident this attempt to exploit and monetize a dying internet culture will result in failure.
No.131021
>>131006I mean this in the least /pol/ way possible but goddamn this shit looks awful, like splitdick AI looking.
What a horrible design, may it collapse.
No.131067
>>130939I like /biz/, but I refused to connect any wallet to load a website. I don't have to do that on any other imageboards so I won't make an exception even with an empty wallet. Why should I give more data to Infura and the like which most wallets rely on for queries? There are decentralized imageboards out there that don't require connecting to read, this is no doubt by choice or they are retarded.
>>131021Saying something looks awful has nothing to do with /pol/.
No.131151
>>129484>>131006I never looked super deep into lain chain but it reminds me a lot of that community but it's looks way more cultist and there's a crypto-scam to make it look new.
No.131160
>>129484idk if this is too off-topic, but i read an old article about an important person related to this project:
https://cuteness.substack.com/p/lets-all-love-miya?s=rapparently it's also related to the old chen2 board if anyone remembers that
No.131397
>>131006>THIS WOULD THEN ALLOW THE TRADITIONAL IMAGEBOARD THREAD TO THRIVE BY PROVIDING IT AS A STATIC CONSTRUCT.In practice places like guca had three "threads" and total heat death.
Those who want chatrooms want chatrooms.
No.131434
>>131408It's a certificate issue. Just click on enter site anyways. Besides, Wizchan is a kuso IB plagued by trolls.
No.131445
>>131408One of the great ironies of Wizardchan is that I don't think any wizards ever posted on it. Back when hotwheels admin'd it I think he was like 17 or something and that was probably about the average age. Of course these days an imageboard where everyone is at minimum 30 years old might just the default for the older ones...
No.131847
I'm not posting this in blogs because of reasons
>>126999samefag here. I'm "shadowbanned" from [s4s]. if I try to make a thread, it says "please wait a while before making a thread" with a 300 second cooldown. if I wait it out, it just gives me the same message with the same cooldown lmao
No.131852
>>131847What was your gimmick on [s4s] and did you piss off Swaglord or something?
No.131900
>>4165Seems recent but 4chan seems to have added captcha solvers to the banned word list. 3 day ban woops lol :P
No.131963
>>131900captcha helpers 😈
No.131990
>>131988why does she devil emoji when she's such an angel
No.131999
>>131990Yeah I guess she is sort of stealing Mem-cho's thunder huh.
No.132256
>>131852I rarely posted there. I made fun of footfags with a kuso meme pasta and some other random shitposts. I have no idea who I pissed off.
No.132381
4chan has been down for over 2 hours. sys.4chan.org returns a "MySQL connection error" message.
No.132382
>>132381And now there are "Bad gateway" errors.
No.132385
It works as of now.
No.132399
twinkie house
No.132401
>>126977Not sure as of when but Nicodouga is back; was able to login and watch whatever.
No.132452
Not exactly a happening, but Katawa Shoujo is now on Steam, which feels a bit surreal. It might be for archival purposes since it can effectively be stored on Steam servers now. Like other VNs you still need to download a separate patch to get the real experience.
No.132699
boards on 4chan are getting purged left and right. so far I saw /a/, /int/, /lit/, /co/, /aco/ and /mlp/ getting wiped clean. dunno if it is a rogue mod or server issue.
No.132700
Probably a mod is protesting or something...
No.132701
>>132699Oh, interesting. Catalogs can be restored as we used to see on back on 4/qa/ (mostly on /po/) but doing it on fast boards where dozens of new, real threads have already been made would complicate things.
I doubt it's any mod drama since things seemed so static with staff the past decade, but it
could be possible. My assumption is that if janitors could do that it would happen far more often since it would be a good "fuck you, I'm out" button so I would lead into it being a mistake somewhere or hardware issue.
No.132702
>>132701Oh, here we go:
https://boards.4chan.org/c/thread/4356890I would take that as meaning that there's no plan to bring anything back.
No.132706
>>132702Looks like /vip/ is the board that suffered the most since it had the oldest threads on 4chan aside from some select /po/ threads. I'm not sure how you'd go about checking it (if anything archives /vip/) but stuff that was 5 years old was probably there. Whoops.
No.132707
Based on the list of impacted boards it does seem like someone accidentally did a data wipe on the server with the first set of boards on it.
>>132706I don't get why people treat old threads as innately having more value. /vip/ is a worthless failure of a board, its threads are that old because nobody cares enough to post on the 4chan gold club. /a/ has threads that last for weeks and they're all fucking terrible necrobumpfests while the few interesting ones die in a few hours anyway.
No.132708
Summary from the Happenings Thread at /r9k/:
>Comprehensive Raped Board list:
>/a/, /c/, /cm/
>(No "Video Game" boards Affected)
>/co/, /an/
>/ck/, /lit/, /3/, /diy/
>/biz/, /fit/, /mlp/, /vip/
>/b/, /bant/
>/h/, /d/, /aco/
>/trash/
>(20 out of 73 boards: 27% of 4chan)
>People report the website being non-responsive in places at around 10:30pm EST
>Most of the earliest thread creations are from around 11:00pm EST, so the "purge" probably happened then
>Every other board appears untouched
>Most affected boards feature a thread with an apology from a mod, but no other posts have been made from any mods
>/an/, /biz/, /fit/, /mlp/, /vip/, /b/, /pol/, /bant/, /h/, /d/, /aco/ and /trash/ currently have no such post despite being affected
No.132709
>>132702More apology posts:
https;//boards.4chan.org/a/thread/270308316
https;//boards.4chan.org/c/thread/4356890
https;//boards.4chan.org/cm/thread/3912881
https;//boards.4chan.org/co/thread/145128460
https;//boards.4chan.org/diy/thread/2841949
https;//boards.4chan.org/ck/thread/20782545
https;//boards.4chan.org/3/thread/992846
https;//boards.4chan.org/lit/thread/23736438
Mods giving a non-explanation:
https;//boards.4chan.org/co/thread/145128460#p145129740
https;//boards.4chan.org/co/thread/145128460#p145129786
No.132710
Actually happening happened.
No.132711
Can you post screenshots of one of the threads OP...
No.132712
Seems like every board on 4chan is giving me a 403 error.
No.132718
>>132717Someone in a happenings thread there said they're getting 429 Too Many Requests errors when opening images. Does that happen for you when you try to open an image in a new tab?
No.132723
>>132717I could give detailed reply for why this is but I'm afraid I'd be called a schizo.
Short version: 4chan is hosted by the US Government now and there is a local server hosted by your ISP that is failing. They distributed everything into CDNs when moot sold out. It's true. 4chan is the only website on the internet that you can continue using after your ISP "disconnects" you for failure to pay.
I've spent a lot of time probing how it works since the 8chan death since I was away from it for many years especially after what was called the first exodus (although I'd been on alt-chans mostly for a long time by then). When moot went to work for Google the new "owner" made a lot of major changes.
For example; They will often time exclude certain posts/threads from archives. They'll even modify the contents of the archives after the fact now.
No.132726
>>132723Mister Anonymous, we're glad to see you're still here even after past altercations. Please continue, we enjoy your presence and appreciate your input.
No.132742
>>132718yes but only on PC. on phone, I just see is pic related
>>132723>failure to payfailure to pay what? I mainly shitpost and don’t touch politics.
No.132781
>>132723I had some ISP related problems back in May and can tell you that in my case 4chan does not connect in such circumstances.
No.133086
Is onesixtwo.club dead?
They had something I wanted to mirror.
Last seen 2024-08-26.
Edit: It looks like nuked everything and started over with JSchan anyway... rip
No.133130
>>133086Were those the Starcraft 2 guys?
No.133158
not posting in blogs because of reasons. got banned for posting a 4chan ad (posting NSWF on a SWF board). it's one of those weird "wishlist" ads. I'm not even gonna catbox the ad here because I don't want to risk anything. it's the one where the silhouette of a dick is in front of the red female.
>it's okay when the site breaks its own rules! rules for thee and not for me!
it's funny because it's true
No.133160
>>133158Yeah, nsfw ads on the sfw boards is dumb, but it's a result of there being seemingly no one else willing to advertise on 4chan. (except crypto/AI scams). To you you're simply duplicating the nsfw by reposting the ad, but for the 99% of people running adblockers they're seeing the nsfw for the first time with your post.
You should get an adblocker of your own, dude.
No.133176
>>133160I do, just not on mobile
No.133297
>>133158/a/ ran an ad for months that was a picture of what looked like a 12 year old girl dressed in bondage gear. It was begging you to click the link to something because she wanted a "mentor".
No.133306
I just heard a report I did not believe until I saw multiple videos on cctv confirming it true. There was a thread on the news and politics board on the 4.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/481970379/ Thousand of electronic pocket devices were rigged with combustible plastics and used to kill people. All of these just went off at once. All of our cellphones are using parts from this country and are vacuum seal shut. If you open it, it ruins the cellphone. How do I know my phone or gpu isn't rigged to kill me on command?
No.133309
>>133306As long as you're not a hostile target of the CIA/Mossad, you're probably fine from having your commercial products rigged to blow you up.
Also despite how scary it sounds, you gotta admit it's pretty rad we have movie spy tech now being deployed in action.
No.133310
>>133306This isn't a 4chan happening just because someone posted a thread about it on /pol/. Use your brain.
No.133313
>>133312
I have absoluitely no idea what it is so can't be that influential.
No.133315
he means the frog roleplay spinoff lmao
No.133341
Not so much a "happening" just a pattern I've noticed. Putting it here for future generations.
On 4chan there is an epidemic of mods and jannys posting bait threads and abusing their powers to win arguments, force "culture shifts" and be obnoxious. I first noticed this on /g/ several years ago but I ran across it on /a/ today. Probably just as bad on other boards but frankly I don't use many others anymore (at least not daily).
How it works:
A mod will post a thread about something that's recently been popular or a subject that garnered a lot of replies in the past. On /g/ this will usually be something like Rust vs. C threads, systemd becoming default in another distro (like Gentoo for example) or any /tech/ news that's caused a recent uproar. On /a/ it's usually seasonal shows that have gotten popular for whatever reason. They were doing it with Solo Leveling last season and they're doing it with the deer girl show this season. Pretty much any show that has obtained popularity among regular people. They'll also do it with cult classic shows and what-not as well. Basically, they post threads they know will have a lot of eyeballs on them.
They will post a thread claiming to hate/like whatever the subject of the thread is filled with insults towards the other side. But they'll never use no-no word insults (e.g. nigger, kike, faggot and related staple insults). They will post "fag" but only in the tacked on to another word way (e.g. newfag, oldfag, UNIXfag).
Anyway, once the bait is planted they will necrobump the thread over and over again. They will lurk it constantly and bump it once it's on page 9. From time to time they'll abuse their powers to pretend to be multiple people. You'll know that's happening when you see a flurry of posts within 60 seconds or so that all just happen to agree with OP. Typically, for every organic reply telling them to fuck off there will be 2-4 replies from "other anons" that happen to agree with the OP. Obviously, sometimes other mods are helping them out and it's really a few different people. But it always comes in waves and it's always organized. Like the world's weakest raid.
It's easy to prove it's a mod because they always fall for the same bait; If you post something that's even borderline rule breaking they will abuse their power to warn/ban you and delete your entire post history. This is pretty easy to do because they don't have tick skin. All you have to do is make a nigger/jew joke or "complain about 4chan". They are too stupid to wait a few minutes to make it look like the post was reported and a mod just happen to see it. 9 times out of 10 they'll wack you with the ban hammer within 30 seconds because they're constantly F5'ing the thread seeking those free (you)s.
In extreme cases if you're really beating them with sound arguments and being overly polite they'll make something up and purge all your posts from the thread. I've even seen them delete entire threads then re-post it within a minute or so. Copy/pasting the same OP and then copy/pasting all their sockpuppet replies to make it look like the original. They'll repeat this process for weeks on end until they've changed the "board culture" and "forced a meme" or whatever you want to call it. At which point they'll move on to the next thing that they can bait (you)s with.
I am not posting this because I'm mad or anything like that. Only an idiot would be unable to by-pass a ban on 4chan. I just want to let it be known that I've seen this pattern over multiple threads on multiple boards through multiple years now. I know I've personally driven at least 2 mods of /g/ to quitting because I ruined their fun. Since being overly polite and posting counter arguments early in such a thread allows other real users to both see them and in time screenshot them/re-post them. Which drives these people insane like nothing else. They get really really angry if an organic post counter to the one they posted becomes popular. A few of these forced threads regularly gets an old post of mine within the first few replies every time. At least when I bother to check I see them reposted often. Which typically will kill the thread. Since the mods won't necrobump them once such information is visible to regular users. They prefer to let the thread die and to try again.
There is absolutely no way this isn't being done on purpose. The only question is; for what purpose? Since it's happening over multiple boards for years I assume it's part of their "job". I do not think they'd be doing the same thing over multiple boards simply for fun. Especially when you consider the burn out rate among moderation is fairly high and we're talking about multiple mods over multiple boards for multiple years doing the same exact thing. I feel like this comes from the very top of the chain of command.
By using this method the moderation can control discourse of entire subjects. No one wants to post in the bait thread that outright says it hates <thing x> in the OP. But most people will not post another thread with a similar subject. Furthermore, if you do post another thread it can be quickly buried and if need be deleted because it's a "duplicate".
By using this method they've destroyed all real conversation on /g/ and several other topical boards. I've also seen them discourage discussion about several IPs on /a/ the same way. Just something to consider.
The only reason I continue to visit 4chan is so I can study stuff like this. Since it's a great way to learn and understand how propaganda is manufactured, spread and controlled in real time.
Thanks for reading my blog.
No.133342
>>133341As far as the methods they use. It follows the Gentleman's guide to forum spies to the letter.
https://steemit.com/security/@tinfoilfedora/the-gentlemans-guide-to-forum-spies-spooks-feds-etcIt's organized. It's happening every minute or every day and it's very annoying. There have been times where it seems like the bots being used and the mods (paid posters) lurking 24/7 all get disconnected at the same time. My guess is wherever they're working out of lost its internet connection or DNS services. Since it has been confirmed for many years now that they do operate pods filled with paid posters/moderators to control discourse on larger platforms. Whatever the reason I've seen when they all suddenly stop posting. It's very obvious to every real user that is still lurking around. PPH falls dramatically at those times and you can actually have a friendly conversation with other people. I'd say for every 100 "users" in a thread on 4chan only about 3 are actually real organic users posting of their own accord. Other people notice to. Since when this is happening it usually becomes the subject of conversation and people are checking in to see if they're the only one left.
At these times the web feels like it did in the "good old days". Posts are typically high quality, multi-paragraph or at least multiple sentences and on-topic. The one-liner insult posts stop. The parroting of dumb buzzwords like "schizo" stop. The tone being used by the posters goes from angry to friendly. Posters are no longer hot and cold. They seem like they're actually invested in what they're posting and seeking honest discourse. Instead of attempting to ram an opinion or idea down your throat they're actually posting questions and more importantly READING the stuff being posted by others. Your stupid insults like "TLDR" and "takes your meds" are nowhere to be found.
Then like clock work once access is restored to the pod they come back stronger than every. The wave comes and crashes into your comfy thread hard. 20+ low effort bullshit posts are almost instantly posted and the signal to noise ratio goes back to its usual annoying level.
There used to be good research about these pods being uploaded to youtube by a guy that was arrested for hate speech and later released because he hadn't violated any laws. He served multiple years in prison for a crime he didn't commit (not that speech should be a crime but you know what I mean). After he was released he started digging into this stuff hard and discovered that this rabbit hole was deeper than anyone imagined. Long story short: Intelligence community as per usual. Pods everywhere all along the backbones of the internet. Operating in multiple countries. America, Israel and the UK being the prime players on one side. Russia, China and usual suspects on the other. An information war for your mind that has ruined just about every place that used to be fun to use on the internet. If a website has more than about 20 active users it is watched closely and probably has multiple paid people with access to the mod tools. No large organic gatherings of people on the internet is allowed to exist in 2024. Every last one that we used to have was subverted and ruined from the inside.
4chan is one of the best places to see this happening on the web due to the fact that it at one point was the nexus of "internet culture". It's the only large website where anyone can post without a username. It's one of the few places where they can test and spam the fuck out of information they're trying to force on to the general population. It also serves as a good training ground for agents before they're turned loose on traditional social media where a username/real name and picture is required. Someone being trained on 4chan doesn't have to maintain any semblance of consistency. If they fuck up and say the wrong thing they can just pretend they were someone else. Something they can't do on a website like TikTok, reddit, facebook and the others. They also don't have to go through the trouble of making up a background for each account. But I digress.
If you're ever bored lurk 4chan with all this in mind. You should be able to quickly spot a thread that was both posted by a mod, is flooded with bot posts and see the few organic users being banned in real-time. I also highly encourage you to feed them bullshit information because it screws up their monitoring software. Post keywords. Make up bullshit. Tell fake stories about your life. That sort of thing. It throws off their predictive models and their own personal profile about (you). Don't fall for the
>you're not important enough for them to care aboutlie. They monitor and care about everyone. It's the entire purpose of the software they've deployed all over the internet.
I'm very off-topic now I guess. I just wanted to get this down somewhere. I would talk at length about it some more but I don't want to bring the wrong kind of attention to this place. That guy I was talking about before that served prison time then tried to research and spread the word about this. They shut him down. He was banned everywhere. Then when he refused to stop putting out content he suddenly went quiet one day. A few days later he was dead. An "accident" they said. Just one of many I've seen get murdered over the last 20 years for flying too close to the sun.
Please enjoy the rest of your day.
No.133437
>>133341I have no way to confirm that, but 4chan /g/ really is bad enough that I can believe it.
I'd say that
>>133342 gets a bit into paranoia territory, although mostly due to the scale.
There are tons of places with a decent user count that aren't subsumed by targeted garbage designed to cripple communication...
...but no one really wants to promote them because they don't want that shit happening to them.
One major fact too is that the quality of user on the internet has gone down, likely due to the same opinion enforcing operations taking place all around the large scale portions of the web.
You can't grow up on a diet of garbage and expect to come out healthy, and more and more people are growing up on an internet that is entirely dominated by complete garbage and posting in the way they've learned from it.
You don't need a targeted, paid operation at that point when you've created users that already act like that.
No.133439
I'm a subscriber of Occam's razor on this. The simplest explanation is the average internet user is tremendously low quality these days for various reasons including smartphones and the lack of a shared culture like the 90s internet. So you take that group of undesirables and you filter the types that get banned from social media and find themselves seeking out the most popular and infamous place that won't (or can't) ban them: 4chan. Year after year the only attention 4chan gets is the bad kind; everything and everywhere tells people that it's the place to go to make bad posts and get angry at things. No one is saying it's a place to have enjoyable discussion with like-minded people.
It's also been known that due to contrarianism and the desire to argue running rampant, the best if not only way to get a thread going is to say bad things about the subject you want to talk about. "[Your favorite anime] sucks!" is guaranteed to get more replies than "Your favorite anime] is good!". No conspiracy is needed there, people just recognize patterns. People on /v/ used to reply to such things with "Why didn't you just say you wanted a ___ thread, OP?" because they recognized the game.
As for /g/ in particular, well, it's /g/. Anyone that wants to spout malicious lies, smear software/creators, invent conspiracies and engage in meritless flamewars knows that it's the place to be. It's also the place where stuff gets leaked and dumped, but that's mostly incidental. /g/ is similar to /a/ in that hierarchy is established by the amount of things that you hate. The ideal /g/ user can tell you why the software he's never heard of is terrible and why you're bad for liking it. (but he would use far more buzzwords and probably a wojak, as that's the culture)
As a personal example of why a conspiracy isn't needed for /g/ being terrible: The chatbot threads on /g/ are filled with antisocial teenagers as it's where the chatbot websites said to go for leaks and reverse proxies for chatgpt/claude. They can post all the terrible and boring stuff they'd get banned from discord for because it's unmoderated. I'm not exaggerating when I say the average age in those threads is about 16, and when you think of a kid that gets banned from discord you would have your demographic. Good people who simply want to talk about their chatbot hobby anonymously are forced to share threads with people that do everything in their power to stop them from posting. People had an advanced filter list for the threads, but there's only so much that can be done as a user. I heard some people attempted to make a splinter imageboard specifically for chatbots, but I had lost interest in them by the time it happened.
4chan could have been at the forefront of AI talk online due to leaks and people like automatic1111 (creator of the popular Stable Diffusion UI) being there, but instead it embraced its nature as a cesspit that hates everything because it's the cool thing to do. No government agency is needed, just the momentum of a terrible culture. Over time the people that want to have enjoyable discussion like it was the 2000's gets pushed away, because the former group is actively detrimental to them. Despite anonymity, people wear the same armor of insincerity as most other places on the internet, and that's just not conductive to good discussion. The /g/ name is so far into the mud that I recommend other imageboards avoid using it for their own tech boards. (Yes, I understand it's Japanese in origin)
I find it unlikely you drove any mod to quit because the thing that isolates and protects mods on 4chan and allows them to remain there for decades is the lack of concern. The thing that sticks out in every IRC log posted is the incredulity of the mod that the user actually cares about something enough to enter IRC. "Why do you care so much? You're crazy."
Janitors do care and that's why they burn out in a manner of weeks or months and get replaced with the next wave of disposable fodder. The Arthur janitor dog comics are reliant on the janitor caring, and that's why you'll see mods themselves share the images and engage in the meme. The subject of mockery is the janitor, not the mods. "Why do the janitors care so much? It's 4chan, things are supposed to be bad". Users volunteer to become a janitor, only to be mocked and crushed by the users and of course their superiors on staff. The poor fools. It's possible you hastened the departure of a janitor that made the foolish decision to volunteer for 4chan, but no mod will ever be harmed by such methods. I feel bad for janitors, they actually wanted to make 4chan better, unaware of so many forces working against them.
No.133448
>>133437>>133439How much proof do you want? This is not a hidden thing. The Government(s) openly admit to do it. This is why I hate explaining this stuff to people. I'm basically going:
>Look this guy was murdered. He was speaking out against major Government official/well known high ranking mafia guy/Congressman and said he was going to dump a bunch of documents to prove they were pedophile/doing some other kind of evil. Therefor he was most likely murdered by them or someone hired by them.And you're going
>You're paranoid. The mainstream media would have reported on this if it were true. You must solve this murder case completely before I'll believe you. Even then I'm just going to assume you're paranoid, crazy and talking out of your ass and ignore it anyway. Oooooo look pretty anime girls and shiny new video game. I'll just forget about it two days later anyway.Which is the main problem.
>>133437Do these large places talk about anything that matters? Or are they just a bunch of people re-posting images of sexy anime girls and talking about video games? Perhaps they don't need to be anything but monitored since nothing of value is discussed on them anyway. Perhaps there are multiple bots and shill posts but you don't notice because you don't care anyway. Since more drip fed digital cocaine and all that good stuff.
Which is fine. Entertainment and relaxation is okay. But don't pretend like every keystroke you're typing and every eye movement you're making in front of your webcam isn't being tracked. Along with every noise in your house that can be picked up by the open mics you having around. Which are in most of your devices. But hey. Who cares? You're not important enough to monitor, right? They'd never do something like that.
Oh wait. That's exactly what they're doing. It says it right in the TOS you clicked past when you set the device up and installed the software. They tell you they're screwing you over to your face and you ignore it because oooooo shiny.
The pods are not a secret. They openly talk about it all of the time. Israel openly brags about it and is contracted to handle most of the US Government's cyber security and monitoring. Big data is big business and has been for a long time now. Are you just too young to remember the days before they were promoting the fuck out of "the cloud"? Do you not remember when you could actually talk about such things on places like /g/ and have a responsible discussion with other concerned citizens without a bunch of bots posting "schizo!" and "take your meds" one-liners and then being shut down by the mods? The board used to be a place that was more than promotion of Apple products and defending crap software like systemd and Rust you know.
No.133449
>>133448(cont.)
You want a deep dive? Consider the following; The most heavily promoted and popular cell phone hardware in the world has an image of an Apple with one bite taken out of it. Where have we seen that before? Oh yes, that famous story from the Bible. The most popular second language learning software is called Babbel. Where have we heard that before? The same book in a famous story about God's wrath spreading the people all over the planet and giving them different languages after they pissed him off by building what amounted to a tower for Satan.
Now I'm not a Bible thumper. But don't you find it very odd that people supposedly non-religious keep naming their products after stories in that book? Don't you think it odd that people that claim to be Christians and followers of that God seem to have no problem using such products? In fact, they don't even notice the connection. The people running these companies are rubbing your nose in it and give no fucks I assure you. Do you really think they wouldn't monitor your webcam for the lulz or better yet for profit? Do you really think they wouldn't widely deploy bots on the internet to push agendas and censor everything?
Sure. The average user on the internet after cell phones came out was probably dumber than those that came before. But we had plenty of dumb fucks on the internet long before them. Eternal September happened in 1992 and it was already bad before then. AOL ruined many a nice place when it sent free CDs to every idiot with a telephone. We've had stupid people on the internet for a long time. They are not the reason why things suddenly got much much worse around the mid-2010s.
The old saying is very true: You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. The fact is most people don't give a shit. They like being fucked. They like being a slave.
You want a breadcrumb to follow?
"Department of Defense Interactive internet activities"
There. If you care that's all you need. They don't hide what they're doing. Be sure to take note of the date when the program was first started. That's the unit running the monitoring pods.
Fun fact: The reason famous "youtubers" and "e-celebs" like Joe Rogan and Alex Jones moved to certain location in Texas is because it is near a major internet backbone link. Both of their studios are not only set-up exactly like a DoD pod. They are linked directly to a pod near-by. Anyone that interacts with either of those "communities" or "platforms" or whatever the hell you want to call them is watched, monitored and studied. Not that they aren't studying everyone. It's just they know a certain type of person interacts with content produced by controlled puppet Alex Jones. So they like to keep a close eye on such people to better train their tools so they can shut down any real information they might stumble upon and try to promote.
Consider the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_MurdockMurdered right around the time the vote on systemd was happening. Said outright that people were trying to murder him in the days leading up to his death. Death ruled a suicide. Bring it up on /g/ or any major tech website and see how many "organic" people show up to call you crazy then watch your thread get shut down and your IP/account banned for being "off topic" or whatever other rule they can use against you. Impossible to discuss this man's shady death anywhere. Even at 3am a bunch of people will show up to yell at you on an otherwise dead website at that time. Why? Because nearly everything on https goes through cloudflare these days. Where the data can be seen in reacted to in real time. But hey. Guess I'm just paranoid.
Find your own truth I guess. I'm just the messenger. Usually no one listens.
No.133451
>>133341>>133342>>133439i will eventually get around to reading these but adhd brain is refusing to cooperate today
>>133448>>133449 No.133470
>>133449A lot of people like to shit talk Cloudflare but they never ever once mention an alternative...
No.133472
>>133448>Do you not remember when you could actually talk about such things on places like /g/ and have a responsible discussion with other concerned citizens without a bunch of bots posting "schizo!" and "take your meds" one-liners and then being shut down by the mods?There are a lot of things you used to be able to talk about but are no longer possible. Like I said in my post (
>>133439 ) people are just too angsty and insecure these days. You can't talk about some government program without a bunch of angsty shitposts, sure, but you also can't talk about Superman or basketball or Pikachu. I'm sure there's bots, but it's something individuals can also operate as proven by that one guy that did the "shitpost bot" a few years ago. I think the main issue is that no one sees it as worthwhile. 4chan could easily be flooded by local LLMs if not free trials of chatgpt. The captcha solvers have been out there and if not then it's pennies to hire some Indians to manually flood. I assume the reason any random antisocial guy doesn't do it is the same reason I don't think a government does it: it's not worth the effort. Remember someone dumping some government secrets and the only reply was "fake and gay?" Most people with the means to flood do it with avatars and/or catchphrases due to some emotional trauma.
The problem with these theories of secret agencies that control various parts of the world is that they're all vulnerable to only one single point of failure to come crashing down. People are stupid, petty creatures and many things have been exposed over such stupid reasons as a jilted lover or someone forgetting a thumbdrive. Governments struggle to get their top workers to not record tiktoks in confidential areas. Soldiers have been tracked and bombed for giving social media updates from their bunker. There's also conscientious objections and stuff like that. Finally, every country and business is also spying on every other group, including their allies and partners. And they're full of workers eager to sell out for a quick payout. The level of secrecy and control to maintain any sort of grand plan like this is simply inhuman.
>But don't you find it very odd that people supposedly non-religious keep naming their products after stories in that book?Not really? The odds are your own first or middle name is biblical in origin. It's everywhere. Naming objects or things after religion/mythology is something people have done for thousands of years. Scientific names for animals, buildings, the planets, restaurants, cars and of course companies. Creating new names and concepts is hard!
Usually when there's a company that's evil it hides its name behind generic nonsense like South Bookings Mountain Group Incorporated and then 20 shell companies behind that one with equally generic names. People doing bad things want to hide it because it's bad for business or whatever plan they have if they don't. They're not going to call themselves the Black Shinigami Human Enslavement Clan, at least not on paper. There are exceptions, though.
As for the youtubers/twitterers you mentioned, I don't really care too much about the people that make a living traveling around and speaking freely about how they've been silenced and oppressed. It's great money, though.
But this all goes back to our disagreement on why 4chan is awful. I think it's a natural, albeit mostly preventable cultural decay from multiple factors. It's something we'll have to agree to disagree on.
No.133516
>>133470Didn't the flightless bird farm have some issues immediately after CF dropped them, and they designed their own in house DDoS protection of sorts?
I doubt it's as good obviously, but it does stand out enough to prove it can be done.
No.133520
99.9% of websites using Cloudflare doesn't even need it. It's just cheap and convenient because it's a government project subsidised to collect data on every website even those not hosted in the US going from non-american to non-american ISPs. They're legally required to give NSA (Prism) access by the way and no doubt they do.
https://www.cloudflare.com/galileo/¥ddos everything¥collect money and data through a protection racket.¥???¥government profit No.133521
>>133472It's well known enough that Russia and China's efforts to influence online discourse have been reported by western mainstream media. There is no doubt that west-aligned governments are counteracting with the same thing.
>>133470"Pirate" sites have already switched to ddos-guard which is Russian, but the whole service is already blocked be several ISPs.
No.133523
4chan is currently down, since like 30 minutes ago. Apparently for upgrades (?).
Error message changed from performing site maintenance to something went wrong.
I'm unsure if posts are going through but not showing up since threads are getting bumped.
No.133525
HABEEB IT
No.133528
lolcow.farm is back up after being down for a couple of weeks.
It is mostly used by females, so they used crystal.cafe as a bunker during that time.
CC got a ton of activity, but now it's over.
No.133529
tehe what if both sites went down and they had to start... start using.. tehe... k*ssu
No.133531
¥No giяls allowɘd
No.133537
>>133529CC posters can fuck off, lolcow girls are okay though
No.133573
>>133537/qa/cc poster sounds better than kissu-cow
No.133582
major off topicness.
Anyone is allowed as long as they don't do something that annoys me
No.133585
¥lolcow farmers
Mentally ill /pol/tard self-hating autistic bullies with zero hobbies other than making fun of people with just slightly less self awareness than themselves.
¥cc
Man-hating weebs into otaku culture and fashion and that kind of girl stuff.
Yeah I'll take the cc girls. Not that they want anything to do with us, but at least they are actually humans.
No.133596
>>133585For every 1 post on cc by a sane person trying to enjoy hobbies there are 9 arguing about which radfem ideology is best for spiting men. The few humans among them are just using it as a breather from 4chan or other alts where they can't be openly female.
No.133602
thankfully we can take neither
No.133767
Discussion move from
>>133754 incoming
No.133768
>>133755At the time I was involved with this the site that's from had way more going on than that one horrible board. I almost purged all mentions of that from the archive. But I was worried it would break the code. The guy that created this and runs that website is actually a really good dude. But he kind of gave up when the site wide wars started. If the place didn't cost him only $10 a month or whatever to keep hosting he would have shut it down years ago. He's still pretty mad about how things turned out. Since for a couple of months there it was looking like we might save the spirit of 8ch. He gave up after being threatened with legal action multiple times and the targeted harassment. He was doxed but it never got released to the public. He's still pretty angry about how things turned out.
Despite that one board taking the blame for how the webring turned out a lot of blame falls directly on the shoulders of the BO of the old loli board. I can't remember exact details now but I know him and another global vol got into a some kind of fight while all the admins were asleep. Loli BO went mad with power within hours of getting power. Other global vol when mad with power to. They used it against each other and chased everyone away. Still think they both did it on purpose.
Place crashed and burned that day and everyone involved left. Including me (I hosted one of the larger boards that migrated from 8ch). After that I was done with the webring and considering I lost all contact with the anons that were using the board I was managing I gave up myself.
Same guy that created this was the one that created the webring plug-in. It's probably still hosted on gitgud or github somewhere but I just had him send me the repo directly. He's pretty hard to get in touch with these days. I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to stop paying for hosting soon. He hasn't directly interacted with the 6 or so people that still use the place in years. I'm surprised it's still online.
No.133769
>>133768I'm not going to derail this thread with bullshit, but I guess since you're saying this you should know that this site was directly caught up in everything you're saying and I lost a lot of appetite dealing with the stress it caused.
No.133770
>>133768To give you an idea of how bad things got at the time; The guy that wrote this software is a pretty accomplished professional programmer. He made that website on a whim when it was announced 8ch was closing to host a couple of boards. The one it's most well known for had really gone downhill in the years leading up to the closing of 8ch and he'd been using it for nearly a decade by that point (it migrated over multiple websites in the past before moving to 8ch). He wanted to archive all the old threads and didn't have much to do with the one general thread that had taken it over by that point.
Anyway, once people started using the webring and a lot of boards migrated to his instance within it within a month or so there were constant threats of legal action. Whoever was attacking the place had learned both his and the vols sleeping habits. There was a 2-3 hour window everyday where they could spam CP unopposed. Despite everyone's best efforts it became a night occurrence. Same people that were doing it were sending emails to the host and law enforcement. Along with anyone else in the chain of providers that had anything to do with keeping the place online and protected from DDOS.
Same people were also applying for vol positions. They'd act sane and caring. New vols were needed to stop the constant influx of the CP bot spam. But they would always stab him in the back the moment they were trusted and do things like mass deletions of boards/threads and if possible other vol accounts. He was waking up everyday to some kind of legal threat, mass panic from the users, vols acting retarded and threat of losing hosting/anti-ddos services.
When they eventually managed to dox him and discovered his employer he was given ultimatum. Close all the boards but that one and a handful of others or lose your job. He couldn't afford to lose his job because he was bread winner of his family and was support his parents to IIRC. He chose keeping his career over dealing with the constant headache. At least he attempted to give fair warning and allowed people time to migrate. I figured his dox would get dumped anyway but surprisingly whoever was attacking the place kept their word. I know he was very worried about it at that time.
I should have probably documented a lot of this stuff but at the time I was fed up with it myself. I helped him out with things as best I could for about 8 months or so. I never got doxed but they were hunting for my information for sure. Along with anyone else that had global vol access for any amount of time. I was really worried about that because the amount of pizza coming in was staggering. So I knew despite my best efforts there was probably a thumbnail cached on one my of PCs somewhere. At one point I was purging encrypted HDDs and writing random data over them near weekly because I was so paranoid about it.
All that to say. Please don't let the source discourage you from using that code. It's good code and it was written by someone that knows what they're doing. Solid dude. It's a real shame what ended up happening to him and a few other former website owners within that webring. It was a good idea and most of the people involved were good people. But none of them were willing to risk prison time over internet drama. I will always contend that this attack on them was being done by a state level actor. The amount of resources they had at their disposable along with the amount of people that must have been involved points in that direction. It was not the work of a couple of script kiddies. It was too sophisticated and they had access to information that some kid wouldn't. They were also far too dedicated to their task.
This is getting off topic now sorry. Just wanted to say my peace because I know the reputation the place gained through slander and shitposting. There was a lot happening being the scenes that was never talked about openly because the people involved didn't want their lives ruined. A couple of them ended up having that happen anyway. At least in the respect that their real names were posted for all to see. They didn't want to bow to demands and ended up having to shut down their boards anyway.
Once the world shut down in early 2020 I understand why they were so gung-ho with ensuring no 8ch clone gained a lot of users. If the webring would have taken off they wouldn't have been able to so effectively control the flow of information on the internet after late 2019. When 8ch died we lost our last real place with a lot of users and reach. They shut down the flow of real information when they took it down and nothing ever appeared to replace it. Since then we've been stuck with the likes of twitter because the "nexus" of the internet and the information flowing over it. Which as we all known is heavily controlled. I doubt we'll ever see an open web ever again.
We tried to fight. A bunch of us paid a high price for it. At least this guy managed to keep his job and feed his family. I know of a few people that lost everything.
No.133771
>>133770we hosted a guy and his circle whom one of the admins was accused of spamming CP so one of the dudes who hung out on that channel looked up my (very highly hidden) linkdn profile which connected to my github and then tried to associate me with someone in his circle with the same name.
So I was involved in this BS. But luckily I am not an incompetent imageboard dev and actually had one half the moderation tools we have now. Plus having no job meant that they had nothing to use against me.
If you want to discuss it in more detail you can dig up some archives in the happenings thread and try and find the date it ocured. We basically documented most of the timeline from an outsider pov
https://kissu.moe/archivehttps://web.archive.org/web/20200511054054/https://kissu.moe/qa/res/4165https://web.archive.org/web/20200426003228/https://kissu.moe/qa/res/4165 No.133793
It would be good if we had save files of the happenings archive incase for whatever reason internet archive gets destroyed unexpectedly.
I'll wind up doing it myself if no one else does, but if I didn't have to and someone sent me an archive file that would be nice.
No.133794
hate that 8chan was killed and hate even more that its ashes were pissed on
No.133797
>>133793I'm not sure how to do it, personally. I just know Control + S, but it has its issues like needing to expand all images if you want to actually save non-thumbnails. But then I think you don't have the thumbnails so you really can't have natural thread usage.
No.133807
I did a natal horoscope for 4chan by plugging in the date listed in news and the birth city as NYC. My spiritual teacher told me that these charts can be applied to not just people or animals but to ideas, buildings, or institutions and their egregore as well. I find it to be shockingly accurate other than the parts that are hard to interpret, like regards to "family"
Here's what it tells me:
>Gemini Ascendant - Personality, Characteristics & Meanings
Gemini Ascendant is associated with curiosity and interest in how things work. Versatility and adaptability are your advantages, but these traits can lead to fragmentation of interests. These people can do everything, but they do not excel in anything. They do not like to choose only one thing if they have more options. Their mission is to disseminate information. If the horoscope has a water or earth character, then this person needs to develop analytical and objective thinking. If it is of airy and fiery nature, then the mind is very restless, you understand everything very quickly, but only by the head, body and emotions remain untouched.
>Sagittarius Descendant - Partners & Compatibility
The best partner for people with Sagittarius Descendant may be one that has a clear viewpoint and helps you maintain direction in order not to get lost in your maze of thoughts. A partner can show Gemini Ascendant purpose of a journey, which you are unable to see.
>If you have Gemini Ascendant, you may feel that your partner lectures you, that he knows everything the best and that he thinks he is better than you. Your mission is not to be afraid to show your real desire for knowledge, to set some goals and have warm-hearted understanding for others. Give your partner the opportunity to teach you understand things in a broader context; he helped you become emotionally balanced person, so do not be afraid to trust him more.
>10th house - Medium Coeli (MC)
Career, prestige and reputation
Medium Coeli (MC) - Symbolizes social status, career, reputation, honours, fame, success, authoritative personality, father.
>10th house in Pisces (Pisces ruler is Neptune)
People with Pisces on the tenth house cusp often follow a career in church, medicine, theatre or other areas associated with spirituality and esoterism. These people are perceptive and enthusiastic but they lack stability. When the tenth house is occupied with several star signs then they may want to go on long journeys on sea. These people have an advanced spirit, but they are also unrealistic dreamers.
>The ruler of the 10th House (Neptune) in the 9th House
These people often work in education, religion, philosophy or science and they have great teaching skills. They may go on long journeys and meet foreign officials in connection with their profession. They are often teaching at a mature age.
No.133809
>>133807I'm confused. October is not Gemini, I know that because I am a Gemini.
No.133810
>>133805The bizarre thing is that it's just Planetes, the thing moot once said he liked 15 years ago. That's... interesting I guess? The recent 4chan birthday imagery has referenced old stuff which makes it a bit more depressing than celebratory. "Remember when things were good?"
2024 - Planetes
2023 - Green Anonymous
2022 - Calvin and Hobbes
2021 - Dead/frozen bodies
2020 - Playing the original NES away from Corona-chan
2019 - Cart racing (Mario Kart/etc)
2018 - Alice in Wonderland (but there is at least a modern mention with that extremely short-lived /vip/-tan. Remember when /qa/ had those fun board-tan threads...)
2017 - The most depressingly bittersweet one with hopes that never came true
No.133811
>>133809Those are the ascendents, descendents, and some houses posted.
What you are mistaking it for is the sign associated with the Sun, which is a part of it all.
The sun sign is Libra which makes so much sense for 4chan; all about reading and judgement.
No.133813
>9 times out of 10 they'll wack you with the ban hammer within 30 seconds because they're constantly F5'ing the thread seeking those free (you)s.
There's been scripts for years, and 4chan's own built in find, so mods can constantly search the boards for their trigger words and act on them. The tech changed and enabled the behavior at a new scale. I would say most of the time they aren't really lurking the thread. Janitors abuse it too to bypass the report queue.
It's not new behavior per se but in the past if a mod was really upset and wanted a cluster of posts with no no words gone they'd have to ask someone like mvb to query the db to get the posts. Now they can just constantly do it themselves.
No.133822
4chan's mods added new anti-spam filters that prevent users from posting the words "nigger", "faggot" and "trªnny" more than 3 times per post:
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/483400670https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/102641091 No.133823
>>133822this is oppressive and dangerous
No.133824
>>133822genuinely too little too late and will just piss off their userbase
they let this shit build up for something like 10 years, and it has become terminal
No.133825
>>133822Word filters would have been more fun, but I'm surprised by the addition of "faggot" since it's a term of endearment since ye olden days. I wonder what could have spurred on this change, if it's real, since the general consensus from both users and staff has been that spamming that stuff to derail and destroy threads is how 4chan is supposed to work. I've had the various gender words in my filters for a couple years and know I'm not missing anything.
No.133826
>>133825>Word filters would have been more funRemember when /b/ was full of CANDYASS and ROODYPOO?
Back then I didn't notice people complain about being censored, people just rolled with it and joked around with it.
No.133829
>>133822That's retarded as hell. If they'd filtered out "tr*nny" like 8 years ago they'd have an argument for preventing cancer by stopping people from hyperfocusing on that stupid shit, but how out of touch do you have to be to try to stop people from calling each other niggers and faggots? I can't believe there's a single part of 4chan where that isn't acceptable. Even the "comfy" altchans don't do this because it's so ingrained in imageboard culture that only the newest of newfags would find it offensive.
The worst part is that people will write longposts with good information only to have them vanish into the ether because they used a nickname like bandfaggots or moleniggers too many times while one-word shitposts will continue unabetted.
p.s. you're a niggerfaggot for making me censor myself.
No.133830
Gross language. Not very cute or funny.
No.133832
>>133830do u consider yourself to be a cutefaggot or a cutenegro which fits better
No.133834
>>133822Only niggercattle keep posting on 4chan.
No.133842
spermer
No.133864
>>133826Truth be told I definitely complained about not being able to say nigger on /k/ back in the day.
No.133866
so glad i can say nigger on kissu(You wish)
No.134075
The email verification is back, this time on /vg/.
https://boards.4chan.org/vg/thread/497902254/ No.134080
>>134075Not surprised they're expanding this bullshit, just that they had the balls to apply it to one of the biggest boards this early in the rollout. I guess they still need the spam excuse to seem legitimate until they can fully normalize it.
I really hope the refugees go to /vmg/ instead of /v/...
No.134081
>>134075What's the point of this? Why are they trying to collect emails?
No.134082
>>134081Clearly they hate their own website and want to kill it.
No.134083
>>134082Well that much is clear, but where will people go when 4ch dies?
No.134087
>>134075according to 4stats the number of posts didn't fall like /biz/'s did and from looking at a couple random threads I'm not sure most would have even noticed it without an announcement
seems like the 15m requirement is much better suited to this board
No.134094
>>134081Why would they want junk emails man. Who is buying that "data". Where is it being sold? Have you considered maybe it's truly to help deal with spam? You guys have become too jaded.
No.134095
>>134094you (singular) need to stop using that you (plural)
No.134097
>>134094Wouldn't people with the capacity to spam 4chan also have good setup and knowhow of having junk emails for signups in bulk?
No.134099
>>134087You haven't even given it one day. The newest day has yet to even arrive on 4stats.
It took a day before it was noticeable on /biz/ 4stats.
After a few more days, it had dropped far more than the first day.
A big difference is that intially, /biz/ did not have any 15 minute waiting requirement. They went straight for email only and nothing else. It is also possible that this will have less of an effect on /vg/ since video game users are used to taking massive cocks up their arse in terms of DRM and MTX.
I barely even post on /biz/ anymore because my IP keeps changing and I have to wait another 15 minutes. By the time I check the timer again it has timed out because I didn't post exactly when the timer had hit zero and I have to wait another 15 minutes leading to me just not posting at all. /biz/ does feel a lot less spammy now though, I'll give it that.
No.134100
>>134099I forgot to mention, but also initially not everyone got the email requirement. I think they rolled it out in batches depending on the country. Some of us were smug because we didn't have to do it, but it came to us eventually too.
No.134106
>>134097The system probably isn't there for the extreme evaders, just the short attention span anons with airplane mode. I imagine that crowd greatly outnumbers the well known spammers.
No.134108
>>134099You're right, we'll have to wait and see what long term impacts are, but from what I can tell anyway it doesn't impact the normal /vg/ user. Sure as shit doesn't stop malicious trolls since they'll keep spamming anyway and a burner email isn't a big deterrence for some of them.
For others out of the loop the rules are as follows and you only have to do
one:
¥wait 15 minutes¥verify an email¥have 4chan passIf you're already posting you don't need to wait, they supposedly don't keep your email, and as usual 4chan pass bypasses all of it which is what the bots are using anyway.
Variable IP and VPN posters are likely most affected and is another roadblock for you if you're in one of those regions permanently rangebanned. Maybe it wont stop spammers today, but it could be enough friction that they'll get tired of trying faster. The ones that aren't affected are the "terminally online nolifers" already used to ban dodging. Personally if I were the faggot implementing this I wouldn't do the email thing since you know those retards have a pile of burner emails to shovel in, and it would "encourage" normal posters affected by their IP to buy a pass if they care enough. The pass has its own issues, like being subject to mod arbitration since they can revoke it and some of them sure as shit don't pay attention when they're cleaning up spam.
No.134164
>>134075Mods also removed the "no generals outside /vg/" rule on all the /v*/ off-shoots days before implementing this new filter.
No.134291
>>134290Interesting. I wonder how many fun conspiracy theories will be involved with this one. Does /pol/ still have the 15s post timer thing as punishment from moot? It's been a decade so maybe if they want to reduce spam they could normalize that.
No.134295
>>134290Well, that was the obvious next target but they still moved faster than I expected. At this rate they whole site will be all "anti-spam"'ed up (except for all the bots that mods intentionally let run wild) by the end of the year.
No.134302
I'd be shocked if /v/ isn't next.
I haven't used 4/v/ in a very long time but the pissing match between mods and proxyfags mostly has its roots in /v/. I'm sure the only thing holding them back is potential user revolt.
No.134303
>>134290They should just make it an images only board.
No.134307
>>134302For better or worse, /v/ is the only board that fights back when mods try to get rid of board culture. I figured they'd wait to open that can of worms for as long as possible, but I can see them trying to neuter it right away if it takes on /pol/. Still putting my money on /a/ being next since /vg/ proved they can get away with it easily on general boards.
No.134314
>>134303unending schiztism chart spam
No.134315
>>134295>except for all the bots that mods intentionally let run wildIt really can't do anything against bots. It's not like scripts run out of patience and decide to go play some Counterstike instead. Like captchas it's something that impacts humans more than bots.
No.134316
>>134307I always thought board culture died on large boards that allow generals like it did /a/. Boards like /v/ still force you to browse the catalog for threads of interest instead of heading into your general so the entire board more or less interacts with each other.
Am I wrong?
No.134317
>>134316You're completely correct. I've seen it happen to several boards, /a/ is just the most tragic case since it happened because the mods who kept that shit at bay for years got replaced by ones who actively encouraged it. You can still see vestiges of it from time to time, but there's no real hope of it coming back at this point.
No.134322
>>134075I barely browsed /vg/, mostly just to check for info for some games every once in a while, was there a spam problem there? I know that a lot of the generals tend to have internal drama but does it warrant an anti-spam measure like this?
>>134290Considering election season is within mere weeks I'm surprised they didn't do this even earlier. Considering the state of that board in general I'm surprised the admins didn't just nuke it from orbit with no survivors ages ago.
No.134325
>>134322/vg/ has a massive spam problem, but, like /a/, it's spam from dedicated autists and mods don't care about post quality as long as it technically conforms to the rules and is contained enough to only ruin individual threads, so these measures do absolutely fuck all for them.
Nuking /pol/ has never worked. moot took it back because he didn't want to go through the years of them running rampant on other boards it would take before they calmed down and moved on. Hiro won't ever do it because he only cares about getting hits and making money and /pol/ is overrun with newfags who will obsessively refresh those ads-ridden pages. Also, the feds don't want their surveillance apparatus going to waste.
No.134337
>>134325>/vg/Tell me about it. You get people with a major axe to grind not letting a single second between post cooldowns go to waste and spends every moment trolling the thread they haunt. In my case they're going so far as to make a scraping script to redeem gift keys a user dumps for that thread so nobody else gets them. I can't fathom what compels some of these autists to do what they do, I just want to discuss a hobby dude. Since mods are an invite only clique you doxx yourself to join, the status quo remains. I can't imagine what it would feel like if you're properly invested in a thread there, one hell of an abusive relationship.
No.134338
>>134324It sucks being right but knowing team4chan a little, since /biz/ didn't actually stay dead they'll keep rolling this out at a frog boil's pace. It means less work for them.
Ultimately the 4chan moderator is about doing the least amount of work possible but still maintaining their position for when something personally offends them. That's what the toilet paper labor of the janitor is all about. I speculate the spam must have been bad enough that they couldn't maintain enough janitors per recruitment cycle, they were quitting out too fast, leaving the actual senior mods to do some work.
This cannot stand so the team must have escalated the issue until hiro was willing to pay for developer man hours to try to fix it. At the very least, Hiro isn't one to pay for contract labor unless there's money to be made off it or serious drama threatening the free volunteer labor.
No.134370
>>134366They really are trying to kill the site aren't they.
No.134378
>>134370You could only really call it alive if you consider the mold and maggots festering in it as part of it
No.134384
>>134338>since /biz/ didn't actually stay deadActivity is still 50% of what it was before the change. It might be that /biz/ had far more bots though, but I personally stopped posting.
No.134389
/biz/ was surely affected by bots and spam due to the nature of manipulating things for direct monetary gain, but I think the post rate fall was also affected by threads/generals successfully moving over to /bant/. I'm not sure how many of them went back to /biz/ or are even still on /bant/, but that certainly had an effect on things.
In theory /v/ and /vg/ users could move to the slow /v/-related boards like /vr/ or /vst/, but there are subject limitations and the speed is probably too slow for people accustomed to /v/ or /vg/. /pol/ users could just post more poliitcal threads in /g/ or /tv/ or something I guess.
No.134402
>>134370you're being kind of dramatic there anon
No.134403
>>134402That's not dramatic; it's a true statement.
No.134407
soyjak (dot) party is down
No.134416
I hope it never comes back and you overdose on fentanyl coping with its loss.
No.134417
i hope it comes back soon and you live a long healthy and fruitful life !
No.134418
>>134382Blame the pedos constantly posting child models on /tv/. It was so bad even the mentally stunned senpais that believe in Qanon-tier bullshit made a buzz about it because pics of child models hosted on 4plebs were among the first results of the query "tv television and film". These morons thought 4plebs meant "For Pedo ceLEBS" and that it was a pizzagate-tier conspiracy.
Pedos have caused a lot of trouble to 4plebs and other archives for years. In 4plebs' case it was so bad that the admin disabled ghostposting first on /tv/ then on /pol/ and finally on every board, removed 4plebs' meta board, and disabled the search of deleted posts on /tv/.
No.134422
>>1343704stats hasn't changed much outside /pol/. this may be a W for the mods
No.134438
The absurd anti-spam captcha escalation has pushed me into installing a captcha solver, ironically enough.
No.134439
>>134438Is this a joke? How can you still post on that shit site
No.134440
It has the numbers, that's why anyone still does.
No.134442
>>134440wow. numbers. Might aswell go sign up to facebook then
No.134445
A shit site with numbers is still better than a shit site without, like this one.
No.134446
>>134445There's no reason to be a passive aggressive fag over one bad apple spouting retard rhetoric...
No.134450
>>134290They just added it to /a/.
As much as I hate it, it will be interesting to see if this affects post quality, because /a/ has been getting to the point where ~80% of bad threads are made by a handful of spammers with recognizable templates and posting styles.
No.134451
>>134448Then why do you obsess over it?
No.134456
Added a couple more archive additions to the OP for the past year or so. But, as some people may be aware the internet archive has been attacked not only through the courts but through hacking, and it's ongoing:
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/20/nx-s1-5159000/internet-archive-hack-leak-wayback-machinehttps://www.zdnet.com/article/more-of-internet-archive-is-back-online-despite-hackers-infiltrating-its-helpdesk/The happenings thread and the wider internet community needs to take steps to make backups of things only available on the wayback machine as the future is uncertain.
No.134458
>>134450>made by a handful of spammers with recognizable templates and posting styles800.57 - /vg/
210.13 - /gif/
208.87 - /vt/
190.49 - /trash/
176.85 - /tg/
86.98 - /a/
72.89 - /g/
66.45 - /sp/
59.74 - /int/
59.45 - /vp/
55.71 - /v/
42.99 - /x/
40.08 - /pol/
38.61 - /b/
37.03 - /pw/
36.58 - /co/
36.25 - /adv/
31.22 - /lgbt/
27.18 - /mu/
24.67 - /fit/
23.96 - /tv/
21.10 - /bant/
10.33 - /r9k/
I'm sure kissu gets what ratio this is.
I've only ever really looked at data over time for /g/ but at least for /g/, as the overall ppm falls in 4stats if you break it down you can see the generals are doing just fine (and even growing) and it's diminishing traffic to regular threads that disproportionately represents why overall ppm is sinking.
No.134463
>>134458>I'm sure kissu gets what ratio this is. I don't, is this the ppm or something?
No.134464
>>134458>what ratio this isAverage replies per thread? Considering /vg/'s 750 bump limit.
>data over timeInteresting, how do you keep track of this stuff? The best I've done was look manually in a thread by thread basis and it's obviously not scalable.
No.134467
>>134464Since /g/ isn't like /a/ where there was a history of general threads being suppressed almost all of the generals have subjects that you can easily query for. By convention they all self identify with "/" in the subject twice.
So you just take a time sample, take posts within that sample that appear in those general threads, and take posts from threads that aren't general threads in that same sample, and compare the ratios sample over sample.
Then you see pattern emerge that I talked about in my first post.
No.134471
>>134458I'll never forgive the generalnorms for ruining /tg/.
No.134473
>>134467It's not just /a/, there's also threads that people are able to recognize as covering a topic without making itself explicit, or which relies on images, or just didn't have a name until a certain point, kinda like /lit/'s /wwoym/ here
>>133234. It's always a boon when the thing you're looking for manages to be stable throughout time, that's for sure.
>>134471General threads are a matter of convergent evolution. You could call it a regression to the norm.
No.134494
>>134450And one of those has been actually using since4pass as a pseudo-trip. It won't do shit about any of the spammers because the mods already gave them all tacit approval like 4 years ago. This only helps in cases where the mods actually ban the IPs the bots and spammers are using, which they don't. They only ban people for personal infractions or posting something "off-topic" like OC, board culture, or non-general threads.
No.134507
timer/mail are now required for all 4ch boards
No.134508
1984
No.134510
I feel like it's something smaller, slow imageboards could consider if they're not able to actively moderate. It's certainly not the ideal, but if the admin only checks the site weekly (or worse) then it's better than the site getting yanked and deleted by the host for leaving pages of illegal content on the front page.
No.134512
>4chan faq
>bypass various other filters and blocks
wot
No.134514
I find it funny that the cutiechan cattle will just accept this and refuse to go anywhere else
No.134515
>>134507So I guess the staged rollout was just so they could focus on deleting all backlash threads and make a bunch of "actually, I think this is a good thing" shillposts on the big boards one at a time by triggering them actively instead of silently pushing it and letting users all figure it out on their own in a billion "why do I have to wait 15 minutes to post" threads.
No.134516
>>134514Where else is there to go? Most of the Internet is shit at this point. I mean they could come here, but a grand majority of the posters are dogshit.
No.134517
>>134514>cutiechanheheheheh
No.134518
>>134514As much as I hate the change, they really only have to wait 15 minutes (for now).
>>134516Rude.
No.134519
>>134518I'm saying the cutiechan posters are dogshit.
No.134520
the cutiechan posters are cute!!
No.134521
is romanced filtered to cute too? cutiechan is a really cute and clever filter
No.134522
>>134518>for nowThat's the catch. /biz/ proved that they want to move to a verification/pass-only model as soon as they can get away with it.
No.134525
>>134514I don't really have anywhere else to discuss and shitpost about 2hu with the frequency I've been accustomed to on /jp/. Also all my friends are there.
No.134526
>>134525Migrate here and invite your friends!
No.134529
>>134525>with the frequency I've been accustomed to on /jp/./jp/ without the generals is pretty much non-4chan imageboard speed, but it's true that the people there are different. I think the issue people run into is that boards outside 4chan lose their 2hu-ness over time. As much as people like Touhou, it's just hard to be excited about it to the same level 15 years later. The old flashes are old enough to be in college. 4chan gets the most fresh blood and that means 4/jp/ has the advantage of people experiencing 2hu for the first time. It's hard to replicate that elsewhere, but... you should do what
>>134526 suggested and make lots of 2hu threads!
No.134530
>>134526>Migrate!I did in part, but it's complicated. I don't like to make threads and 2hu is kinda niche to talk about exclusively. /kissu/ is much more rounded out in that regard which is great for the /a/&/jp/ blended group, but it makes it difficult for me to make a post because I missed out on the teenage phase of watching loads and loads of anime and playing VNs, I still did somewhat
the binge phase was wasted on the crunchyroll catalogue, so a lot of the screenshots/references goes over my head. I'm still assimilating board culture.
>Invite your friends!I don't want to be the annoying dummy asking people to move from the board and asking if anyone from the board is here. It's like that pained look Excalibur gets from others in Soul Eater.
But it's like that guy said, we'll do anything but leave the place that's boiling us. It's because tradition demands we stay. It's not as simple as just packing up and moving, we'd be leaving behind history: all the inside jokes, memorable posts and threads, and other little bits of culture and memes. Stuff that doesn't translate well and comes off as forced when it's mentioned.
And my frustrations with the site comes to the same whining point: "If only moderation wasn't so terrible and bad and arbitrary."
I whine too much.
No.134532
>>134530>I don't like to make threadsAh, the poster that's overly considerate and worried about social missteps. One of the things imageboards can't get enough of is conversation starters. The paralyzing worry you feel about quality or fitting in is something that's working against not only you but the boards you want to post on. If too many people that feel like this then there's nothing to reply to! I can tell you not to worry about it and people here (or any good imageboard) is understanding, but it's something you have to feel yourself.
>I whine too much.It's really not whining at all, just meta talk. It's good to see /jp/ is still full of meta minded people as it was the board that historically had the highest per capita metaness.
No.134533
>>134530> I don't like to make threadsBut you should, especially on a website like this where the heritage of old-/qa/ was taking it easy. Just make threads and have a good time.
Hell this shitter >>>/jp/82203 makes threads all the time, especially on /secret/
>It's not as simple as just packing up and movingNo, it's literally that simple, just post here and have a good time. 4ch is dying, the moderation staff is run by mentally ill faggots who hate you, your culture, your beliefs, and your OC. There's nothing left.
No.134535
>>134532This. The essence of imageboards is throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Anonymity is there to give you the courage to put nine two-reply threads behind you so you can reach the tenth that sparks something new and interesting that even you couldn't have predicted. Basically the entire reason I'm here is because 4/a/ mods started passing out bans for doing that and kissu promotes that culture of freshness.
No.134536
>>134534I hate to say it but if you want to bring the touhou you need to do it.
Just fucking, post. Be like, "Holy shit I fucking love Junko" or something. Make the conversation happen.
No.134539
>>134537Then do it! Nothing is stoping and you can do it! Just fucking do it! Make the 2hu conversation come here instead of bitching!
No.134540
>>134529By general threads you likely mean most of the board, even for threads not explicitly generals like ones for certain characters or groups right? I agree, niche one off threads are rare and slow, but it's also because of the rest of the board having so much two hoes those odd threads get any posts. If I were to pull examples from now, there's the one on esoteric religious elements in Touhou and the fun thread where we're trying to quantify how dorky each 2hu is so we can find a top 10 ranking: a hyper specific lore thread and dumb silly fun thread respectively. BUT, if the solution is literally: "just post, hop in dude!" no matter how niche a topic since that's ultimately what an imageboard is for, then that's easy and I should stop obsessing over it.
>>134532Well when you get down to the brass tacks /jp/ started as an excuse for moot to dump Touhou off /a/, so having an understanding of the meta of why things are is kind-of ingrained in most /jp/sies. But engaging in meta-talk is both so easy to do and get into writing paragraphs for, and it's a quick slip and slide into bitching and moaning, so there's an overall aversion to it and it makes people feel icky and pointing out that "yeah things aren't so great" kills the mood.
Thank you for the encouragement. I will post more, later, when I don't have assignments due in like an hour.
>>134537There's >>81972. Admittedly it's one where she's made fun of for being a lonely dollhouse nerd.
No.134541
i do think it's going to be much harder to sustain any touhou discussion on kissu and that it's rare for us to seriously broach the topic like we do with other stuff
not trying to be a downer, i just think it's understandable and that it's not gonna be the same
No.134546
>>134389The stock market and commodities generals which had some of the best information on markets and on the board remain on /bant/, the copies on /biz/ are so much slower and not as insightful given all the good users migrated. But nearly everything else moved back.
>>134522/biz/ did have pushback though, it was bleeding traffic from early April until the 15 minute timer was implemented late May before its traffic restabilized.
No.134550
A day or so later cutiechan is just how i imagined it would be. A good flock of sheep that doesnt seem to care at all about the restrictions.
No.134560
>>134546/biz/ didn't have the 15 minute option and did have other boards they could migrate to. There are no group backup plans for when 4chan mods go insane (except for all the discords the general threads have, I guess) and by the time you are able to post to start talking about that you're able to post normally without the hassle again so why bother with something that's just going to get you instabanned? I do hope more individuals take this as an impetus to move and cause a notable decline in post numbers, or at least post quality.
No.134586
>>134549Suffer not the phoneposter to live
No.134598
There is a temporary email website that offers gmail addresses
https://www.mailticking.com/ No.134608
>>134550As someone who writes like 3 posts a week in niche generals it doesn't affect me at all. Remains to be seen if threads just go to shit over time. I feel like those who whine the most are the terminally online types and manually evading shitposters (bots get through just fine).
No.134610
>terminally online
Mod speak for 'just don't care lmao'.
Unless it's something that personally offends them then it's Jesus streaking across the sky riding a white horse with a sword coming out of his mouth.
No.134626
>>134473>kinda like /lit/'s /wwoym/ here >>133234Seems like those threads are now banned. Say hello to the 4chan mod(s) browsing this thread!
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_text=write+%22on+your+mind%22&search_op=op&search_ord=new/qa/ still has reach!
No.134628
>>134626Then that mod is a retard, because that thread is about the same ethos as /co/'s WOYA threads - made in the spirit of practicing the hobby.
No.134630
>>134628i think you're mixing up /wwoym/ with /wg/, the actual writing general
No.134698
Wapchan has moved from Lynxchan to Vichan, and found a way to preserve all the current threads.
No.134700
>>134698Lynxchan and jschan is cancer to use. Good for them. Vichan feels much better to use.
I'm still mad they found a way to convert /kind/ into their community and change the spirit of kind. I would have rather it stayed dead than watch it change.
No.134701
>>134700If that's your mindset then imageboards are not for you. Change is intended by design.
No.134702
>>134701Well that's clearly bullshit, this place feels like a retirement home.
No.134703
>>134701To passive aggressively say imageboards aren't for me just because I didn't like the change in culture that had been there for many years is kind of ridiculous.
No.134704
>>134703To quote Shii's ancient and badly worded arguments: "Anonymous, No Holds Barred, Ephemeral Discussion"
You can't fight the ephemeral nature of discussion and be emotionally attuned to the imageboard format. Expect communities to mutate and appreciate the changes whenever you can.
Nor you can try to shame my tone either. Mph.
>>134702You truly believe posting habits in /jp/ ibs haven't changed a bit in 10 years of imageboards?
No.134705
>>134704>Nor you can try to shame my tone either.I just said I didn't like the change. You're the one shaming me for stating an opinion and mourning the loss of a loved one. I don't need you to also dislike the change, post there all you want and have a good time.
>You truly believe posting habits in /jp/ ibs haven't changed a bit in 10 years of imageboards?For the worse, but it happens.
You can't change how I feel about a change by telling me I must appreciate change. Just drop the subject, this argument is incredibly stupid and a complete waste of time for both of us.
No.134706
>>134701Change by periodically killing off the old so that something new can spring up in its place, not by perpetually animating a corpse.
No.134707
>>134704>Mph. NEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRD
No.134708
>>134705>You can't change how I feel about a change by telling me I must appreciate changeNo I'm not that sympathetic. I'm chastising you for expecting otherwise. Next time, do better.
>For the worseThen you'd be better off on a registered forum were you can police content to your heart's desire.
If arguments about wasting time is on the menu, consider what it provokes on others to hear you complain, mournfully or not, maintaining a veneer of positivity then drop that old good new bad line. To me, it's something along the lines of who do you think you are.
No.134710
Take it easy.
There's no reason to bring out the antagonism for people just wanting to have casual imageboard talk. Telling people to leave imageboards because they shared a negative opinion of something is terrible behavior for this thread that is built upon discussing such things. It's not only okay to criticize things, but it's healthy.
Anyway, how did /kind/ change? Meta talk is good.
No.134711
>>134708>Next time, do better.No.
>Then you'd be better off on a registered forum were you can police content to your heart's desire.Stop projecting.
>>134710>Anyway, how did /kind/ change?I don't want to start a discussion with the anon above.
No.134712
>>134700>I would have rather it stayed dead than watch it change.You're probably in the minority then. /kind/ has had long stretches of time in bunkers and 2kind went down out of nowhere. Sure, wapchan isn't kind.moe, but the admin's given the board a lot of autonomy and even restored their old vichan theme from years ago.
No.134714
For the imageboard paleontologists out there this guy, Nameless Rumia, may have arguably written THE wiki on early imageboard history
https://namelessrumia.heliohost.org/w/doku.php?id=start No.134723
>>134714i reocgnize this place, been there a couple times
did a bit of reading and it turns out he has an article for his favorite 2hu (actually not rumia)
https://namelessrumia.heliohost.org/w/doku.php?id=yuuka_kazami No.134725
>>134550cutiechan's quality has been in a nosedive for ages now so it's probably more of a case of the majority of the posters being apathetic about all this
No.134726
>>134723I've been reading this all day. I'm just amazed, he has actually documented every imageboard scene there was with some minuscule exceptions (the raidchan and euro /int/ cliques). Only thing missing is the history of imageboard history itself. shii's wiki, wikichan, lurkmore, the imageboard archives etc. But otherwise it's genuinely the most complete reference book on imageboards there is, I cannot believe my eyes.
This brings me back, hard, I used to run with the bibliotheca anonoma crew. Making something like Rumia's wiki was our pipedream, a collective fantasy we all thought we could achieve but none of us knew Jap (and or any relevant language)... or formal paper formatting... even how to begin the effort compiling all this info that was then strawn around like 20 sites and half of it was hearsay. We worked with what we had and made a lot of improvising and got that kuso 4chan.doc out of it. I'm genuinely happy someone actually achieved our goal. Hmm. I wonder what antonizoon is doing now, hope he's doing alright.
No.134734
>>134726>I used to run with the bibliotheca anonoma crewhold the fuck up, really? mad respect
you ever cross paths with the chanthropology guys? i'm pretty sure i'm getting the name wrong but maybe you know who i'm talking about
No.134736
>>134734I was co-founder! And now I'm utterly high on nostalgia so you get the whole thing.
At the start it was just anton and his brother (who i don't recall ever talking but had admin privs on the ssh. Yes, we had a server and even several tbs worth of TAPE storage, Anton was armed to the fucking teeth). I emailed him - don't remember if it was about the doc, the timelines or what - and he actually replied, it was mental that someone other than me was interested in all the esoterism of IBs.
Anton had already set up the early wiki and was copypasting a bunch of stuff from blogs. When we met the ball really got rolling as I knew about all the old sites, unwritten rumours and had one or twenty ideas on how imageboard community mechanics worked.
Anton was reaaaally into the old wincest stories and post archival while I was the crazy cat lady (male) with 20 GBs of renamed 4chan images ranting about lost glories of imageboard culture. Our only sources at the start were Waha's bbs's, Shii's wiki, those essays written by fucking JKid and whatever we could scrape from wikichan's corpse. And ofc hundreds and hundreds of screenshots I autistically read. I regret nothing.
From 2014 to 2016 we had a lot of fun just unboxing /b/ folders after /b/ folders, finding secret internet sites, making sense of the ayashii -> amezo -> 2ch pipeline (esoteric bs that had exactly 1 engrish translated work at hand) and determining who was who in the early days. Simple stuff really but when we started nobody had yet to dispute basic shit like the "SA -> 4chan" narrative. Anton started the 4chan doc by copypasting to his wiki from various sources and I slowly accrued everything into a single file and rewrote it everytime we came across a contradiction. I remember going crazy finding the old board wikis that had first hand accounts of their history. But truth be told we were really mostly interested in completing the ancient 4chan projects (ie the wikichan timeline), doing archeology research on Shii's ideology and noting down site culture minutae (ie what meme was popular in 2009 or which mod did what) than actually writing things that would matter like anthropology essay on anonymous communication, clique-oriented communities, how mechanics of IB features affected posting habits or implementing proper historiography standards. Maybe I regret a couple things.
But when I say we were clueless I
mean we were clueless, we were speculating about most things and ran entirely on hype. We basically believed IBs were magic, the greatest thing to grace the Internet and were hellbent to prove it. anton's optimism was contagious if a little unrealistic (we had interesting debates on whether or not the original blindmuteloli story and other copycats were real). As Anton set up a massive structure (server, git, and a bunch of utility sites that only near graduation in my industrial engineering career I understood were to set up an honest-to-god SCRUM management system). Initial focus was rescuing rarities - finding old IB folders, scrapping relevant sites - before the internet glacier atomized them. Soon we started to gather a few kooks and kids with personal projects willing to help and share advice / resources, we were 6 or 8 iirc with little idea what to do but very eager to do so. Within a couple years we refocused much of our efforts into archiving, as we noticed some old 4chan archives were dropping dead. Anton wrote a super powerful personal thread scrapper and we tried to keep tabs on what periods of 4chan were archives or not. That /b/ 2004 archive was an urban myth then and basically our holy grail. Still can't believe it actually existed. Anton later did *something* to help archiver sites server side, some really crazy shit I really didn't understand because I had 0 coding and server knowledge then. I think at some point in 2015/6 bibanon was providing infrastructure aid for like a third of all archivers. (I could be wrong wait no they actually run desuarchive holy shit anton you mad genious)
I dropped off around 2017 after the English speaking Internet went... well, insane from my itty bitty foreign perspective, plus imageboard culture more or less disappeared. Moreover I was growing increasingly dissatisfied with how the .doc was turning out - as I understood IBs better I was trying to put to words things leftfield of all narratives popular at the time - ie how technolgoy / site format affected posting habits and how things like containment boards simply didn't exist. But to do that I'd have to rewrite the historic summary from scratch and rethink the whole process. I just didn't have the willpower for it anymore specially as every english site around me was becoming politically radicalized.
Then anton set up a discord bridge to our IRC and most of the crew left for grooming operation. That's when I lost contact as I was a bit autistic about IRC being hallowed ground. I do regret losing contact.
>chanthropologyOooooof blessed be you who never came to hold an actual conversation with jKid. Poor man isn't evil, but he's a diagnosed HF autist who just rants nonsensically about things he thinks are extremely important, and his illness stops him from ever being truly right about something.
If it's not Yotsuba Society, I tried googling chanthropology but found basic things - a MIT paper and a medium article. No name I read there would care for bibanon. You should hook by bibanon's discord if it still exists and ask anton... I should be doing that.
No.134744
>>134075>>134290I am done with 4chan. The existing captcha system was already burdensome enough to make me post very rarely. The only place I posted anymore was /agdg/ on /vg/ but it was already so low quality as to hardly be worth it. Why jump through so many hoops just to get no replies to development progress that took me six hours, when boring shitposts get ten?
It's like they don't want us to have fun anymore.
No.134754
>>134736>That /b/ 2004 archive was an urban myth then and basically our holy grail. Well that's something new to me anyways.
Gotta appreciate the people who can be bothered to keep diligent about archival.
No.134767
>>134726>I wonder what antonizoon is doing now, hope he's doing alrightFrom what I heard he had a similar issue as the ehentai admin- wrist pain that became so bad that it greatly limited his time on the computer. This is just something I heard indirectly, though. I think we talked about it in rizon #qa years ago and antonizoon has been idling there for years at this point so his computer is at least functional. Or I guess it might just be a bouncer keeping his account logged in?
You'd probably have to talk to the bibanon people themselves, but I think they're in discord these days...
No.134876
>>134714As always with things like this the wiki excludes alot of things and tries to paint a certain narrative.
No.134877
>>134876We need someone knowledgeable and truly unbiased like you to give us the real story.
No.134878
>>134877Your "wiki" is bad.
No.134880
>>134767>ehentai admin>wrist paingee wonder why
No.134892
NO reply
No.134914
>>134714>>134876Without touching on anything specific so no one goes down an old battleground rabbithole I agree.
His versions of events I was party to don't reflect my memory of events. So when I read events I was not party to I figure they're similarly bullshit.
It's a personal website. I go in expecting editorial. I don't go in expecting anti-factual versions of events.
No.134916
>>134914pics or it didn't happen
No.134918
>>134917there's barely anything about SA on the wiki... so what's the narrative
No.134923
>>134918My narrative is that it's not really a personal wiki. Where Everything Shii Knows was a list of things Shii had some personal history in and exposure to, Everything Rumia Knows is a bunch of cobbled together third party sources with it's own selection bias. Selecting what's notable enough to get an article. Texas Sharpshooting in the citations. You aren't writing what you "know". Incompatible scopes.
I find that all terribly ironic personally, even if the site's been rebranded from that name for years.
But as I said in my first post I find the impersonal scope of the site and his own biases lead to bullshit but I'm not really interested in getting in the weeds about where his history of [redacted] or [redacted] goes wrong here. It'd invite the wrong sort tangent.
No.134926
>>134923>guide to 4chan.jpgLol what? I've heard about /l/ before, but you're telling me that there was also a board specifically for loli
torrents at some point? How much content would there even have been for that back in the early 2000s?
No.134963
only the realest niggas know about /tl/
No.134965
I tried to open /tl/ just now and it said my IP was forwarded to the authorities?? What the fuck do I do I live with my mom she's gonna find out
No.134990
>>134988do you have a dynamic IP?
No.134991
>>134988I haven't actually posted on 4chan since they rolled the new system out and probably won't until Christmas time. It's probably because you're blocking cookies so they can't spy on you or something, but honestly modern 4chan isn't worth jumping through hurdles for and it's only going to get worse since they were able to suppress anyone who tried to revolt over this. Time to move on.
No.134992
4chan's dev reduced /gif/'s amount of pages to 5 and removed its local archive without providing an explanation (as usual).
NSFW meta thread:
https://boards.4chan.org/gif/thread/28118304 No.134993
>>134992Huh, was /gif/ using a lot of bandwidth? This definitely seems like a cost-cutting measure.
No.134994
>>134993with all the porn posted there by the second, I bet.
No.135010
Some of the mod posts from the board purge they inflicted implied their problem isn't bandwidth of stuff that's cached and served by cloudfare, but rather running out of space on 4chan's actual servers.
No.135011
>>135010I wanted to say /gif/ isn't that big they could just get an extra harddrive, but then I remembered they store everything for a week (publicly) if not more (privately). I assume NSA stores the rest with their backdoor so they don't need a permanent archive at least.
No.135012
>>135010>running out of space on 4chan's actual servers.How little space do they have...
https://4stats.io suggests /gif/ makes 4444 posts per day. Assuming a worst case scenario where each of those posts has a 4MB file attached, that would only be 53GiB in the archive if each and every one of those posts went directly to the archive over 3 days. Assuming that same worst case scenario where every post has a 4MB file attached, and every thread has 200 replies that would only be 120GiB of active content across all 10 pages (150 threads total).
That means in a truly worst case scenario, /gif/ would constitute a typical maximum of ~173GiB.
Checking the 4chan homepage
https://archive.is/https://4chan.org/ shows that 4chan has a typical active content of around 1200GB. At the time of posting, there is 1172GB of active content on 4chan, which is noticeable decrease, but in the broader context of how much /gif/ could have been using, seems like an insignificant decrease over all.
>>135011>then I remembered they store everything for a week (publicly)3 days. Not even a week.
No.135026
>>135012Local archives only display 3 days worth of threads, but a thread can last up to a week before it disappears from the server and CF's cache.
No.135054
>>134876Like 90% of it is sourced from archived primary pages often from the mouths of every site's respective admins. What do you have to contest that?
Some things are definitely hearsay (read: unsourced), but as this viet's guesses are as educated as it gets.
No.135055
>>134926very likely not4chan, when the boards were removed and mantained on a separate site by a volunteer.
No.135070
>>134923ERK was never a good name in the first place, I'm just shit at naming things. It was always going to be the Wikipedia style of writing for those articles, not a personal retrospective on an internet spat that nobody cares about.
Personally, I don't like the wiki being hailed as a source for imageboard history either, thus why those articles aren't at the top, but the void of knowledge for these things from the fact that Wikichan hasn't existed in over a decade has caused people to treat it as such.
I'd honestly prefer if someone or something took up the task instead, so the history isn't just a wall of "August 10 - A mod shit the bed. The /xyz/ 10M GET happens." and scattered links to archives. A revival of Wikichan, at least, but that has yet to happen.
No.135076
A new imageboard was recently created:
https://rottingangels.org/ No.135078
>>135076>No hate speech or bigotry of any kind.May it collapse after one month Inshallah
No.135082
>>135078I get the idea and the want to push that stuff out. The faggots prattling on about niggers, jews, or whatever aren't the ones you want on your site anyway, but banning it wholesale actually creates more problems. Now you've got users who need to tiptoe around what the definition of "hate speech" and "bigotry" are according to whatever mod is watching. Does playing into a steryotype break the rules? What about fantasy racism? You could say that it's common sense that it just refers to IRL stuff, but common sense isn't so common. I've seen my fair share of moderators, on chans or otherwise, follow ruling to the letter rather than the spirit.
A far more concrete definition that does the same thing is prohibit outrage politics and political activism and encourage users stay on topic to hobbies and fun things. Kissu's rules function roughly the same, boiling down to: try to stay on topic, be mature about it, make quality posts to the respective board, and have fun. You still
can say hateful and bigoted things, but I have a feeling none of that fits the aforementioned points and you're getting pruned not because of racism, but because you were being a disruptive retard. It naturally filters out those bringing in IRL race, identity, and politics where it aught not to be, but doesn't preclude things that would be on topic like fantasy racism and politics.
No.135089
>>135082Without trying to blow my own horn, I think it takes a level of intelligence above what the average internet user posesses nowdays to recognise that it's valuable to not take things too seriously in general but especially on the internet, without delving into the territory of people who are incapable of having a proper conversation due to being so mired in post-irony. It's important to be able to choose to say something offensive but choose not to (get carried away doing so).
A wise man once said
>Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe they are in good company>The following will be deleted on sight. It doesn't fit here, take it somewhere else: Pepes, Wojacks, Soyjacks, Modern Buzzwords (i.e. Dilate, Cringe, Kohai) I like this rule, however. I've occasionally wanted to create a forum for one of my somewhat niche interests and this, along with "No discussion of politics or religion" would be on the short rules list.
I kind of butchered this post because I had to go AFK a few times when writing it. Hopefully it gets the point across.
No.135090
Sensible moderation here is a biproduct of high levels of disagreement and the software configuration allowing mods to override one another so long as the admin does not start doing edits straight to the database ( lucky the vichan MySQL engine sucks so hard that no one wants to do that)
No.135093
>>135090>and the software configuration allowing mods to override one anotherOut of curiosity, how is this implemented? Does it mean mod interventions can be reverted by other mods without data loss?
I'm toying with the idea of hosting an imageboard one day, and this is definitely a feature I'd want.
No.135094
He's referring to deleted posts being sent to their own board. I don't know which imageboard was the first to do it, but it wasn't kissu. It might have been a /jp/ spinoff due to the fixation on moderation and ghostposting. Posts/threads can simply be moved back if desired, but I don't think that got much use on imageboards with one sole staff member.
No.135095
>>135094>He's referring to deleted posts being sent to their own board.Right, I forgot about that because I never check it.
Does vichan allow mods to move soft-deleted replies back into their original thread if necessary? I heard moving posts was one of the things vichan always had trouble with.
No.135102
>>135089I like that rule too, those reaction images don't serve much purpose other than be unoriginal and lazy in case of a frog or they go hand in hand with post-ironic rage baiting and trolling. These two posts in the internet language thread sums up what I take issue with:
>>119085,
>>119086, those being that while some buzzwords can be used in normal conversation, others are just there to get a rise out of you and is a tell that you're talking with some disingenuous faggot. Though what's wrong with Kohai? Did it get co-opted into some other meaning they took offense with?
The thing I'd have issue with on the "No discussion of politics or religion" rule is on religion. I think there's a lot of good discussion you can get out of it, but that also depends on where your niche lies. In my case I like to discuss Touhou and one of the biggest points of the setting is faith: Shinto and Buddhism and to a lesser extent Christianity all have interactions and is something that needs to be talked about when discussing the metaphysics. But if you're running something like a tech forum then yeah that has nothing to do with the topic of the forum.
>Hopefully it gets the point across.You do, it's all good.
No.135103
soyjak sager
No.135107
>>135102>I like to discuss Touhou and one of the biggest points of the setting is faith: Shinto and Buddhism and to a lesser extent Christianity all have interactions and is something that needs to be talked about when discussing the metaphysics.There's a huge difference between discussing the religion/metaphysics of a fictional setting from a dispassionate observer's standpoint and discussing the poster's most deeply held personal beliefs they're unwilling to question. The former is a fun exercise in worldbuilding; the latter is a recipe for pointless off-topic drama.
No.135109
>>135094If someone else did the idea I didn't take it from them. The degree that Kissu uses it is unique across all imageboards and is inspired by certain failings of 4chan mods in communicating with 4/qa/.
>>135095I think it's in my most recent source code release, but it's a spaghetti mess of features stretched out between a proprietary golang engine and the public vichan one.
No.135119
>>135102Kohai is a kissu wordfilter for the gen Z -oo word because of how out of control generational shitposting got for a few years elsewhere. It's probably not that necessary anymore, but it's kind of funny.
I also don't like blanket bans on topics because they also impose limits on tangential discussions. There are plenty of anime and games that feature real religions and ask for you to think and talk about them seriously, not to mention the intersection with any history discussion. It's far better to moderate the intent of posts so that respectful discussion (and banter-like jabs) are allowed but truly inflammatory stuff is stopped, but that also requires mods who are in-touch with the community and willing to spend time doing their job properly.
No.135122
Hi, I am the admin of rottingangels.org
>>135082I did intend for the hate speech/bigotry and politics rules to only apply to irl stuff. I'm probably gonna change it to something more in line to your more concrete suggestion, as that was more what I was trying to say
>>135119> It's far better to moderate the intent of posts so that respectful discussion (and banter-like jabs) are allowed but truly inflammatory stuff is stopped, but that also requires mods who are in-touch with the community and willing to spend time doing their job properly.This is exactly how I intend to moderate the site, and the ethos i want to stick with new moderators (lol if I ever get any). Being or bringing on a kuso out of touch moderator is my greatest fear for the site honestly.
If you have any other suggestions or criticism on how to improve the site post about em in our "Site Discussion" board. They are highly welcomed, I want to make the site the best it can possibly be
No.135123
>>135102>>135119Yeah, I wouldn't have any issue with discussion of those things if they're related to the primary topic being discussed, but for many people now it's impossible to do that without it spiraling into a (thinly veiled) flamewar. Also because most religious discussion on the English language internet is about Abrahamaic religions while Eastern religious are rarely mentioned, and even if they are they're even more rarely used as a basis to flame others. Without trying to sound pretentious, the topic I'm interested in is fashion, specifcally "internet fashion" that was popular around 10-15 years ago and commonly associated with a website called Superfuture, so there's a reasonable chance of it coming up. I don't want to stifle discussion of those things as long as they're on topic, but don't want to encourage them spreading out of control either.
>>135122What prompted you to create a new imageboard and how do you spread the word of it?
No.135125
>>135123A few months ago i made this mockup forum design, which i forgot about until October when i decided to improve it and install a forum software, and randomly decided, "hey, what if I made this like a actual forum?"
Then I posted it online, made a few random posts to get discussion going and then I posted it on heyuri, mainly because we both have ideals to replicate older imageboard culture. I then shilled it across a few other websites and try to make posts on the site itself often, but I'm not really sure how to spread the word.
I have standards dammit, and I don't wanna spam other peoples imageboards too much.
I post on the site that If you like the site, post and encourage your friends to post.
>>135124sup
No.135139
I recently wanted to register on a regular forum dedicated to some specific interest and I liked a rule that banned reaction images completely. Unenforceable on imageboards though.
No.135146
There's talk on 4chan about
https://cock.li/ possibly being compromised by a government agency due to a new page and some warrant canary thing. If you used it for serious stuff you may want to change your emails and stuff. Cock.li was made by a 4chan guy and became fairly popular for throwaway emails to contact other anonymous people so it was pretty nice. But like every other nice anonymous thing it has long been used by various criminal groups, spammers, scammers and other undesirables since it was free and anonymous.
No.135147
>>134714He STILL refuses to add Violated Heroine to rpg maker stub
No.135148
>>135146What a fucking horrible year for the internet.
Feels lockstep.
No.135154
>>135148>What a fucking horrible year for the internet.2025 will be worse. 5 years to reach 2030. Its only the beginning.
No.135155
>>135146I've been wanting to move to Protonmail for a while from a more public email service but I'm inexperienced with this sort of thing. Are they on the same calibre of privacy?
No.135157
>>135146>>135155>>135156You shouldn't be using email if you want private communication. It's an inherently insecure protocol.
No.135158
>>135148>>135154I don't think the situation is hopeless. I've noticed over the past few years that /x/ conspiracies that would normally never see the light of day being mentioned by average people. Touhou which is extremely niche outside of Japan spilling over to the Western normalsphere via Roblox. In light of that it starts to make sense why they're becoming increasingly aggressive.
It feels like people are slowly starting to recognize the system is fundamentally wrong. I'm not sure whether people will finally reject it. I think the internet was a double-edged sword because while it lets them turn the world into a large prison it also brought the collective consciousness into force. I don't think this
thing wants to be turned into a mindless slave even if some of its parts are (like norms).
No.135159
>>135158>It feels like people are slowly starting to recognize the system is fundamentally wrong. I'm not sure whether people will finally reject it.Irrelevant. People never do anything, let alone when something they love is held hostage by the oppressor. And by what I've seen, people will literally accept anything.
Take for example the increased privacy invasion by governments and big tech companies. Do anyone care about that, besides us autists? No. Normies don't give a fuck about it. Feudalism existed by a reason.
>Touhou which is extremely niche outside of Japan spilling over to the Western normalsphere via RobloxThe situation is truly hopeless.
No.135174
>>135166>I legitimately got shadowbanned on 4chan>clicking the post number does nothing.I assume you've done zero investigation into whats causing this and it's probably some outdated script or cloudflare or your adblocker mistakenly blocking you from acquiring some javascript files.
Take your meds.
No.135189
>>135174WRONG. I can't post on mobile either.
No.135192
>>135155look into pgp encryption
what email provider you are using when everything is end to end encrypted becomes irrelevant
you don't even have to use an email client, mailvelope basically supports every webmail provider under the sun
No.135196
>>135192Or even better, stop using email for anything serious. PGP is just a kludge on top of it. Use a safe messaging system, i.e like simplex, even matrix would be better.
No.135197
>>135189Are you using some weird dns blocking cloudflare? Over aggressive adblockers? Have you changed anything recently?
Their normal shadowban strategy for spammers is to let your posts seemingly go through, but then just never make them visible. There is no reason for them to make it obvious you can't post without just straight up banning you like normal. There's likely a good reason behind why you can't post, but sure it's a conspiracy that affects you and only you. Your neighbours are in on it.
>>135196Buying doujins and onaholes is very serious business and you need email for that.
No.135199
>>135197>Buying doujins and onaholes is very serious business and you need email for that.How could I forget about that! Stupid me.
No.135231
4chan finally accepts mp4 uploads now
No.135233
>>135232I wonder why. It's still going to have small filesize limits, right? I see someone posting "tiktok test" so maybe that explains it, ease of use of reposts.
Also someone posted a kissu Broco mp4 there...
No.135234
>>135233>Also someone posted a kissu Broco mp4 there...That was me! I don't have many mp4 videos.
Yeah reposts from twitter and tiktok since that's what a lot of the contentis anyway. It will make it easier to post them from a phone.
No.135237
>>1352314chan is cutting edge too!
No.135239
>>135238becky's gonna correct phoneposters
No.135240
>>135238I hope you didn't think I was saying it would make it easier for
me.
No.135241
you can't even download files from Twitter. I think you kinda can on Tiktok though, but the new FCC chief will probably force all ISPs to block it
No.135242
>>135236What is there to figure out?
No.135243
>>135241You can, or else people wouldn't be able to scrape. On phone I'm sure you probably can with an external website.
No.135244
>>135243you can get a website or app to do anything, but to imagine that an entire group of posters are going to do that for twitter...
No.135248
>>135240No, just disgust at encouraging phoneposters and social media reposts.
No.135264
It'd be nice to cut things from places like sakugabooru. It's already the path of least resistance to just cut vp9 videos that exist on youtube down to 4chan sizes, without reencoding them.
vp9's encoder is really aids at hitting target filesizes.
No.135290
>>135231so how's 4chan going since h*ro's takeover? yeah...
No.135321
>>135174>Take your meds.Shadowbanning on cutiechan is real. I'ts been a thing for a couple of years now. You will get "post succesful" and your post wont be posted. For me it was a image shadowban so i couldnt post any threads or post any images. Any threads i tried to make would just prompt "post successful" and redirect me to another thread.
No.135335
Not sure how significant this is but 22chan added the /mp3/ board
https://22chan.org/mp3/Seems kinda expensive especially bandwidth wise
No.135530
What happened to onesixtwo?
No.135549
>>135530Was that the Starcraft 2 people? I think I remember someone asking about this semi-recently, but I could be wrong. When was the last time you saw it?
No.135550
>>135530it changed names a few times.
I thought it would be on allchans.org but it seems like it doesn't have the recent name.
Or it's gone
No.135716
tried to read this thread while Driving but there are just so many words do you really have to use so much words
No.135718
>>135716Why are you trying to read while driving? Drive safe!
No.135817
what came back and no one told me about it
No.135818
Secrets out
No.135834
Seems like 4/jp/ is making a Touhou VN.
https://boards.4chan.org/jp/thread/48373872A poster in the previous thread suggested moving the project to a spinoff site, Kissu being one of the suggested sites, but they moved to Wapchan instead.
No.135835
>>135834Neat. It's good to see a project giving exposure and recognition to imageboards outside 4chan.
No.135836
>>135834Looking forward to see what their demo looks like, hope they can keep momentum going despite the IRL obligations. I wish them luck.
After that I'll see if there's an opportunity to write for it since they're just looking at a few to start.
>>135835It is a good thing. With how low the bump limit is for /jp/ and the relative speed of the board it's just not possible to run a project like that solely there, much to the chagrin of some fags who whined about altchans and namefagging. Organization-wise, the Wapchan thread and their attempts to make a design document seems to be good, and the admin is interested in it which is fantastic.
No.135857
I did my bi-yearly check-in on 4chan. I like to keep up with what's going on there code wise to see how bad things really are. Some observations;
I discovered another set of key words that are shadow banned. If you post them (or a phrase including some of them) your post will go through but it will not be visible to other users. I'm up to a fairly long list of known keywords now. It doesn't matter how long you wait the post will never appear. But if you attempt to post shortly afterwards you'll still be denied due to the anti-spam cool down.
The "wait 900 seconds" dialog box is still there but now it's kicking in even if you hold on to the cookie. Obviously, if you use Librewolf or another browser that dumps cookies you'll be stuck with waiting again if you close your browser session. But it's doing something funky with stock firefox now as well.
Certain keywords almost instantly trigger bot responses. Certain threads are the same way. Usually the generals. You can tell it isn't a real person because they reply way too fast with the same canned reply over and over again. Typically, something mean and discouraging.
There are two lists of no-no words now. One is outright shadow banned. The other alerts moderation and/or the companies getting paid to shit the place us. But your posts will appear for awhile at least. But if you keep at it after 2-3 posts with said keywords you get flagged for a global shadow ban and the website sets 3 or 4 cookies it doesn't normally set. I'm going to try to trigger this again tomorrow and inspect the contents of those cookies to get an idea of what they're about. They didn't exist the last time I visited several months ago.
I think it's helpful to keep up with the goings on over there tech wise because it's a good indication of what other platforms are probably doing behind the scenes.
This is the end of my autism report.
No.135859
>>135857Wanted to add. I do these tests over a wide variety of websites every few months. Most of the time people try to explain away what I'm talking about with something like
>they're just shitpostingbut what I discovered is pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain. There is a long list of key words that if posted anywhere on the web trigger either a shadow ban or instant responses from bot swarms no matter what hour of the day you post them. They do not reply with common shitposting phrases most of the time either. It isn't just a bunch of people mashing F5 and posting
>kys faggotIt's usually a sentence/phrase that you'll rarely see posted anywhere along with some common forced meme phrase tacked on to the end. Basically, they try to explain whatever you said away with flawed logic then accuse you of being crazy/deranged/mistaken/stupid/old/"them" etc. It's usually worded in such a way that it's a discouraging personal attack.
When these responses come from actual named accounts you can never get any true discourse out of them. They still can't follow logic well and don't get common references. Much like the bots of old that couldn't read text in images. You can prod them a little and make them core dump in other words.
From what I've gathered what is happening is this; Some organization(s) has software similar to Google Alerts set-up to watch the entire web. When you post certain keywords/links whomever is in control of it gets alerted. From there their system will send an automated response (or 3) from obvious bot accounts. Mostly brand new accounts with little history (when you can view such things) or old accounts that have obviously not been logged into from the original owner in a long time.
This system will attempt to bait and derail you through personal attacks. If you do not take the bait it will spazz out. But when it does that it sends an alert to an actual person. Who will always respond within a few minutes. You can tell it's a real person because they'll make a minor attempt at actually arguing a bit with you. If you don't take _their_ bait and continue to reply to them while extending on the original keyword you posted that got their attention there will be a 10-30 minute lag until their next reply to you. Usually, not a very good one and usually in anger. It's at this point you'll find yourself either shadow banned or outright banned from where ever it was you had this interaction. These people are not moderators by the way (at least the accounts they're using at the time aren't). But they always seem to have a direct line to the mods/admin on whatever platform. Usually they're also "trusted reporters" as well.
I've seen this same pattern going on more places than you could ever imagine. I would post the key words here as an example but I don't want to bring attention to this place. So you'll have to take my word for it. The keywords are pretty easy to discover on your own and I'm still finding new ones all of the time. No doubt new ones are being added all of the time....
Anyway, I test this stuff on 4chan because that seems to be the main hub where they beta test this system before deploying new updates of it to platforms with accounts. Since they don't have to do the same legwork on an anonymous imageboard as they do on places like youtube, twitter and the usual places (some obscure forums are worse than those two believe it or not).
I see the same phrases and what has to be the same actual people running these bot swarms all over the place. It's obvious all the actual humans are trained the same way and that this is their day job. It's like Shareblue on steroids.
I'm compiling my findings and writing a short book/guide about this. Which I'll probably not be able to publish anywhere. It'll be a v2.0 of the "Gentleman's guide to forum spies" since a lot has happened since v1.0 was published over a decade ago now. Their tools are getting really advanced these days. This is probably the main reason why LLMs exist in the first place. I suspect (read: know) this same system is being used to monitor all phone calls as well (they admitted it years ago) and probably for many other things we're not aware of.
Spying sure is interesting subject. Thanks for reading my blog.
No.135861
>>135857>>135859ANY evidence of what you've said would be great, you know. Maybe I'm just not posting on the "right boards", but I haven't seen any of what you've posted about.
Seriously, why not just post the keywords? Embed them in an wavy, noisy image if you're really afraid of attention being drawn here.
No.135865
>>135857Are you willing to share your list?
I've been seeking one for a couple years now actually; very frustrating when the few times I need to make a long post and I'm trying to isolate whatever is getting flagged, since they just don't tell me what to remove.
No.135879
Did zzzchan die?
No.135880
>>135879Hmm, strange. I did look at it for the hell of it a couple weeks ago and it seemed to be working fine, albeit a fair amount of boards were abandoned. I didn't see any announcements about problems, although Russia blocked it apparently. The /v/ board was the most active one by far, but I can't really remember much else.
No.135897
>>135896>canadians reporting us over cartoonsv.....................
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No.135898
>>135857This was an interesting read.
I have a strange story and that's when I tried to post on 4chans /cm/ board only for the site to say "post successful" and my post not show up, the content was only this panorama and saying that I'm willing to make more. what's odd is that before trying to make that post I haven't posted on 4chan in 12 years, I have moved, switched ISPs and have a new router and modem.
In attempting to fix the issue I have tried the following:
- Removing texts so it's only the image
- Switching to a fresh browser with no add-ons I tried both chrome(gross) Librefox, firefox and brave
- resetting my IP
- Waiting 5 days and trying again
- converting my image into other formats
- Changing the filename
- Using a proxy/VPN
Guess what? Nothing worked it just doesn't make sense to me.
No.135901
>>135900in the most recent part of that thread, the guy (probably the same) complaining about engine choice and development being on wapchan and not 4/jp/, overall doom and gloom
like just take it easy~, it's free, F R E E
No.135902
I'm very confused by the guy spamming down the thread about how they need to use AI. What's the point in doing a fun project if you don't do it yourself?
No.135903
it's trolling of course. AI doesn't actually work
No.135905
As long as you don't leave it in as the final product, I don't have an issue using AI to streamline work. It's not like anyone is going to notice if you trace it and bother to fix it up.
No.135906
I just received a Mixi2 invite from a friend. It seems to be really popping off with the Japanese.
I wonder if this is where they and X (deadbird) part ways.
No.135914
>>135906I would be very happy if the Japanese excise themselves from the western web once and for all.
No.135919
>>135906Is it another twitter clone? Seems like that's the dominant form of social site creation these days.
No.135921
>>135919Is a fediverse/mastodon clone if anything.
No.135922
Reddit isn't even in the public consciousness nowadays... Just twitter and Facebook..
No.135923
dude FACEBOOK isnt in the public consciousness
No.135924
>>135923well, as meta it's relevant
No.135925
>>135914Yeah, the web should be divided into separate, but equal, internets.
>>135923It's how old people (25+) stay connected with their IRL friends to share baby pictures and stuff.
No.135942
https://boards.4chan.org/jp/thread/48489697Looks like the project to continue development on Shanghai.EXE, a Mega Man Battle Network-inspired Touhou fangame that got C&D'd, is dead. At least unless someone else picks it up, that is.
No.135955
>>135954you know those guys? what would you say is nice about them?
No.135956
>>135955Let's see:
>They've hosted /kind/ for over a year now, helped restore their classic theme and got the old kindmin on board>Site has an easygoing culture (probably due to banning political discussion).>Somewhat themed around Urusei Yatsura and other Rumiko works>Banned wojaks and pepes>Even though it was founded by /a/nons, it's more focused on actual discussion instead of shitposting>They have a radio>Every board has unique CSS>Admin is active and unusually transparent for an imageboardIt's almost like /qa/ if it was more /a/ instead of /jp/, or maybe an anonymous version of the forums of old.
No.135958
>>135957Doesn't seem like it, but I'm sure you could request them in the /wap/ board. Currently it's a mix of old anime bgm and touhou music.
No.135961
>>135956>it's more focused on actual discussion instead of shitpostingSo nothing like us.
No.135962
>>135961No,"shitposting culture" is very much
NOT kissu.
I don't have any problems with wapchan, but I'm not sure kissu has ever talked about doing a webring/friends thing with anyone. Unfortunately the 8chan people tainted the webring term on imageboards so it implies a specific culture that we don't have, but I guess if you made old-fashioned gif links people would know what you meant. Maybe.
No.135963
>>135961>>135962This was meant to be in reference to 4chan's /a/, not kissu.
No.135964
>>135962Wapchan isn't part of the ex-8chan "webring", but they do maintain relations with other sites through crosslinking.
https://wapchan.org/netfriends.html No.135965
>>135964I know, that's why I mentioned that the term could mean something to people that's unintended.
No.135967
>>135959I think people tend to misuse it because it's the only way you can color text. Then again, the only place I've ever seen that actually cares about it deeply is the hellhole known as heyuri.
No.135969
>>135962Measure the number of times Himari under a blanket has been posted to the number of times people have actually talked about AiPri. This is very much a shitposting site.
No.135970
round these parts we call it FUNposting
No.135971
>>135969You're confusing silly, non-serious posts with bothersome ones known as "shitposting" where people are purposely abrasive and "low quality", typically full of general template phrases from the wider internet.
You can't expect to have a lot of AiPri discussion when it's a silly and extremely niche. The fun threads pop up relatively often and people can interact without having watched the show. That's basically the essence of imageboards if you ask me, and it's the way culture grows. If you have hundreds of thousands of users like 4chan you can have a general thread that struggles to stay alive (and it's the only place AiPri exists) but that's heavily limited in its own way.
Such is the fate of niche stuff.
No.135973
>>135967¥ he doesn't knowIt's a funny cultural thing, I don't think anyone here really cares outside of funny haha smartass "who quote" opportunities. 4/jp/ is a different story since site culture at large is much different as there are far more people using it to be a rude asshole with their ebic maymay greentext and ergo get called out.
And they lack
the super cool tricks we have so longpost readability is harder when it's all a blob of white text, especially if you're afraid of being called out for "reddit spacing" which thankfully I've seen less of. It's just down to who's using it, our markdown would be abused just as much if most users were the exact retards who abuse it over there.
>the only place I've ever seen that actually cares about it deeply is the hellhole known as heyuriI've not been to heyuri and I don't intend to, so I don't have a horse in that race.
No.135974
>>135954>and they have a largely similar culture to us.They clearly hate lolicons.
No.135980
>>135974It doesn't seem like that way at all.
https://wapchan.org/cel/res/735.htmlhttps://wapchan.org/digi/res/41.htmlYou would think posts like this would get deleted or edited if they "hated lolicons". It is true that it's not a very common topic on the site, but there's nothing in the rules against it.
No.135981
>>135974I visited the site and the first banner I saw was from Creamy Mami, a well known lolicon show.
No.135986
>>135971There's an old phrase: "one's anon's funpost is another anon's shitpost." The difference between "silly" and "abrasive" is a matter of perspective and which meme words are acceptable depends on the people present. Surely you can see how going into a bunch of random threads and reposting the same image and canned text would be bothersome to some people. I think IBs need a certain tolerance for shitposting as they can lead to funny exchanges and a more cohesive culture, but a shitpost is a shitpost no matter what you call it. If you're using the term purely to refer to openly malicious posts, I think you're misusing it.
4/a/ is actually a good example of a place that held "serious discussion" as a holy grail, wiped out most of its own culture in pursuit of that, ended up with a board full of generals to facilitate it, then descended into unprecedented shitposting and spam waiting for it to come. Even the 15 minutes after a new episode drops and people stop to fulfill the thread's purpose are hard to take advantage of when the perma-bumpers just see it as a distraction. Also, I'm pretty sure smug has an AiPri thread, it's just a continuation of the previous season's thread because they're retarded.
No.135991
>>135980I was dragged through the mud by several people on wapkind and post deleted for encouraging people to be helpful and considering them friends rather than pushing people away. Haven't returned since despite being a member for many years before the revival. I would not trust that the same will not happen to anyone else.
No.135992
I think the quote is
>One man's culture is another man's shitpost.
From moot's screed justifying his forthcoming destruction of boards such as /a/. Uncoincidentally from the same news post announcing sage would be hidden.
No.135993
Someone posted this on wapchan so I figured I'd answer some questions.
>>135954I'm open to the idea myself if verniy is.
>>135957If you want a song to be added you can post a request. I try to source high quality versions of tracks.
>>135959Yeah, lol.
>>135974This isn't true. I'm not really a lolicon myself but I don't have issues with them provided they follow the rules (especially around NSFW content)
>>135991You would have to talk to the kindmin about this one. I will say that the board isn't exactly the same as it as on 8chan because wapchan is a different site with different (stricter) rules, especially in regards to bigotry.
I have lurked on here before. It's certainly the best /jp/-esque place I've found, though I didn't browse old /qa/ on 4chan so I'm less familiar with that.
No.135995
>>135993i'm not organizing any group events because there's nothing to do together
No.135997
>>135995Don't be so pessimistic.
We do anime streams and multiplayer games at least, but we could always think of other things if there's a larger and more varied group to draw from. New Year's is coming up which means it will be gikopoi time and that generally links up a few imageboard/textboards together in a shared little cat world.
(reposted to reply to the proper reply in the same thread)
No.136000
>>135993I'm not Vern, but we'd be fine with people having cross-promoting streams and events from wapchan on here and the inverse.
Also, I guess /kind/ is the continuation of the old kind that spawned off ota? Looks exactly the same.
No.136006
>>136005I made a few posts there recently, but this made me actually read their rules and now I'm pretty annoyed by seeing them posted around too.
No.136007
>>136005i think theyve just been doing more outreach recently
>>136006none of the rules seem particularly bad though the ai art ban won't have many fans around here
No.136008
>>136006I don't think it's that bad, their rules weren't anything I was ever at risk of breaking and seem to want people to post with pre-2015 sensibilities. It's a good thing they're getting their name out, I learned of wapchan with the 4/jp/ VN thread, though I realize it's also linked with the rottingangels board we talked about a while ago. While it doesn't fit my interests I know there's plenty of people who are pining for that kind of culture.
>>136007The AI art one is probably the most contentious, but I get they'd rather see generic anime image macros over some trash someone generated as a throwaway reaction image.
No.136009
>>136005figamin helped to rebuild 39chan recently
https://39chan.moe/meta/res/140.htmlseems to be quite the mover and shaker around altchans lately
No.136010
>>136007The AI art ban is actually something I like, but banning "bigotry" and then the very next line saying "no politics" is hypocritical and proof enough that the moderation holds very different ideals than my own.
No.136011
>>136010what ideals of yours would even be infringed upon by these rules? seems to me like they just don't want post election /pol/ type culture, not that different from kissu rules on extreme political content. its likely that they consider bigotry to not be a topic they want to debate people on the merits of. i guess thats hypocritical strictly speaking but i dont care honestly and i doubt most of the users there do, since spamming slurs "for the lulz" just derails actual conversations
No.136012
>>136010I don't see it as contradictory. It cuts out IRL hate speech and current politics not because they're soft, but because it doesn't contribute to anything they want to talk about. i.e. filters out your /pol/ types who cant comprehend talking about anime or games without wheeling the conversation back around to their all encompassing list of "group of people I really don't like".
Rules like that keep shit like this from happening.
No.136013
>>136010The site actually seems pretty loose with this rule. There's a thread on there where it's clearly some /pol/ guy trying to bait the admin and nothing actually happens because he broke none of the rules
https://wapchan.org/cel/res/2260.html No.136014
Its rules aren't any different from all the other "do not post like you're on 4chan" imageboards out there, including kissu. You're objecting more to the word "bigotry" and assuming that it means they're your enemy which is showing your own biases. It's already baked into the rules for every other place.
There's a big difference between the shoop da woop or randomly calling people fags and derailing threads over racial/etc spiels and trying to get people angry.
>>136007>i think theyve just been doing more outreach recentlyYeah, it's good to interact with other communities. It should be expected if people are talking about the place and they want to get input or just engage with other people. If people want to talk about a person or place and then get annoyed when the subject of discussion show up, then it's just rude gossiping.
No.136015
>>136014>If people want to talk about a person or place and then get annoyed when the subject of discussion show up, then it's just rude gossiping.The subject of conversation showing up in this thread is pretty common. Three instances just on this page that I can spot, rottingangels admin, nameless rumia, and figamin. For this reason I try to stay polite, I'd much rather say "oh hey it's 'that' guy!" over "oh, it's 'that' guy…" if they pop in.
No.136016
>>136014"Randomly calling people fags" counts as "posting like you're on 4chan" and is something that very few imageboards out there explicitly forbid, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that some imageboard users wouldn't want to post on a site where politically incorrect words can get you banned for being "bigoted". It's more common to have imageboards that only forbid modern 4chan buzzwords and/or politics in general, and still don't have people randomly calling each other fags as a side effect, because the users understand that such posts are low quality without having to be told that it's mean and evil hate speech.
No.136017
>>136016I disagree, I think calling someone a fag or using fag as a suffix is kosher and should always be kosher.
Being playfully racist and bigoted is kosher, don't be such an uptight prude my nigga.
No.136018
>>136016Nothing in the rules calls bigotry "evil", "mean" or "hate speech". They probably have more issue with the fact that it's almost always synonymous with low quality/off topic posts, as shown by the example they give being "troon" which I have never seen used in an actual intelligent conversation, and which is almost always accompanied by kuso soyjak edits.
No.136019
>>136018>They probably have more issue with the fact that it's almost always synonymous with low quality/off topic postsThis is not what calling it "bigotry" communicates. They have a rule against wojaks because "they don't fit the theme of the site", but the word "t-oon" is treated differently, the no-bigotry rule even mentions that just using the word will earn you a permanent ban, unlike all the other rules. Stop being dishonest.
No.136020
>>136019Its what it communicates to those of us who arent predisposed to believe that any site saying they dont want bigotry is the enemy. Clearly youre sympathetic or at least neutral towards /pol/ types, so the site isnt for you. Luckily theres a bunch of other imageboards out there that have no problem with that so youre free to use them.
No.136023
>>136010i agree with everything you said, "bigotry" resonates with a peciular tohnochan post. which lead the downfall of imageboard in post. using another term would be better...
No.136024
>>136020You mention other people's biases but you fail to see your own, it's entirely possible to dislike both /pol/ types and that kind of rule. The owner of that other imageboard that had "bigotry" in its rules removed it after people explained why it was problematic in this very thread. Also I've known about wapchan since its inception on 4/a/ and I've never been interested in it, that's not the point.
No.136027
>>136023what tohnochan post and what imageboard?
No.136028
>>136027it was in thread of tohnochan mentions in worldwide web, i've been trying to find it but forgotten if it was in a hidden board. the imageboard is hard to locate as it wasn't mention + css style, only cropped screenshots provided by poster.
No.136029
Seems there is a lot of debate on rule 2. I was probably too broad on it.
Would something like "We don't tolerate disruptive language. Please stay on topic when using the site. If you come here just to rant about groups you don't like you will be banned." be better?
I can see how
>>135082 makes a reasonable argument. There hasn't actually been any bans related to this rule yet.
No.136030
>alot
just one guy
No.136033
i think the funniest part about this debate is that it's been more active than all of wapchan in the same timespan. proves this guy
>>136019 was purely here to stir shit.
>>136029you're fine. don't bend the knee to retards
No.136035
>>136029Your wording is specific and I do prefer it over "bigotry".
As reference:
> 2. We don't tolerate bigotry. Please be mindful of this. Buzzwords like "troon" will get you permanently banned.to
> 2. We maintain a respectful community and expect all posters to engage in constructive dialogue. Please keep your posts on-topic and refrain from using inflammatory language or making derogatory remarks about specific groups. Failure to do so will get you permanently banned.or
> 2. We encourage respectful and on-topic discussions, posts that encourage any form of disrespectful or inflammatory content will not be tolerated. No.136038
>>136037should I delete or at least make that page unreadable...
No.136039
>>136037don't see anything wrong with those rules, they're pretty concrete, last one just allows leeway for whatever without needing a specific rule against it
No.136040
>>136011You don't need to ban "bigotry" to prevent /pol/ culture, you don't even need to ban politics. Personally, I think politics bans are overly broad and prevent good, funny, or relevant posts from being made, but I can accept assuming they're off-topic for a retro anime board. But banning people from insulting whatever modern political groupings the moderation has decided are to be protected is a political statement from the moderation and banning political discussion after that is saying that users cannot outwardly disagree with those politics. The greatest benefit of anonymity is that you can speak without needing to filter yourself for the sake of your reputation or relationships. You can hate faggots and still make good posts and I like being able to see people's prejudices laid bare.
No.136041
>>136038Eh, why? This whole conversation is because someone was bothered by a word and people are taking it to heart too much. Rules establish the cultural baseline and people like different imageboard cultures. Not everyone has to agree with each board's rules.
No.136044
>>136037>swastikasThat's just silly, but the rest is pretty reasonable self-protection stuff and "we're not 2008 4/b/".
>>136029Honestly, if it hasn't been an issue on the site I'd just leave it at "all posts should relate to the topic of the board" and you can address people thinking that stuff is related to retro anime/gaming/kindness if it becomes an issue. I get being concerned about banned-from-4chan people bringing shitposting over, but when 4chan is auto-deleting posts for saying niggerfaggot you probably don't want to give the impression you do the same. Rules are how you present yourself to new users and people looking for a new IB to post on are likely to be sensitive to potential moderation biases against them. I don't want to get invested in a community only to get perma'd for making a racist joke or something.
No.136046
>>136040>But banning people from insulting whatever modern political groupings the moderation has decided are to be protected is a political statement from the moderation and banning political discussion after that is saying that users cannot outwardly disagree with those politics.I see where you're coming from now. You're afraid that banning politics means you cannot criticize when moderation drags in politics. That by banning XYZ means the moderation can use it as a cudgel to ban you for calling them out for breaking their own rules, am I correct in that statement?
I guess giving moderation the benefit of common sense and trusting they won't shit where they eat isn't an option, maybe I was setting my expectations too high and that all moderation is never above a discord or reddit level of arbitration.
Yeah I get it, seen it before where old guard gets replaced by normalfags when
thing gets popular and they go on a power trip over their little fiefdom (SCP anyone?); but, cmon, it's /a/ & /jp/ spinoffs and otaku culture. I would think admins are well aware of that sort of takeover and prefers to foster /a/ & /jp/ culture, why else would they make their imageboard in the first place if not to post there without having to worry about all the extra baggage modern internet has? Having a userbase that doesn't jump at obvious bait like a pack of rabid dogs also helps, that linked /pol/tard from earlier with his bait thread didn't get much attention and it died off. If admins run a tight ship, I just don't see how the site could slide into political tribalism if you just keep any of that shit out in the first place. Sure the rules could be clarified since some troglodyte coming to rules lawyer is an inevitability, but I'm pretty confident most everyone here understands the spirit of the rules.
All in all I think it's a non-issue and if there comes a time it becomes a bigger problem then I have faith the admin can sort it out.
>>136044>That's just sillyContext context context. Unless it's about a Hearts of Iron mod or something, posting the nazi flag (and usually paired with is a pretty obvious sign you're not there to be a genuine poster. It's an easy excuse to boot retards. Meanwhile if the topic fits it I could post it in the original religious context without worrying of catching a ban. Could it be abused? Yes, I can easily imagine a dumb mod confusing a manji for a swastika and banning me on the spot because it violates the letter of the rule, but I doubt it here.
>I don't want to get invested in a community only to get perma'd for making a racist joke or something.At what point in any conversation is an accidental racist joke serious enough for a ban a risk? It's not like you're talking face to face, you can quite literally read the room. When I think of getting perma b& for a racist joke I think posting the Total Nigger Death copypasta unprompted in a K-On! thread, and the things in /trans/. Maybe your 'power level' is too high for my puny mortal comprehension and that's why I don't understand your problem, but I heavily doubt a casual remark about comparing some character or group gypsies in an on-topic post is going to twist panties enough for a ban; if it's not a political diatribe baiting for a thread derailment I don't see how it's an issue. Hate to be the guy who says "just use common sense lol", but just use common sense lol.
In any case I think this conversation's dragged on long enough with points made for and against rules that admins can act on if they wish. I wrote too much and I'll stop now ;_;
No.136062
>>136046Basically, yeah. Mods don't need rules to ban you, but the rules do give you an indication of how mods are going to act and what kind of thing they take personal offense to. If the rules just said "no politics" I could give the benefit of the doubt and assume it means people from both sides need to leave that stuff at home, but when it reads "if you insult tr**ns then I'll permaban you, also no politics teehee" then it looks like the moderation is just being one of those Discord/Reddit admins who use force to keep out anyone who isn't aligned with their politics. I value the clash of viewpoints you get from everyone being able to insult one another so I wouldn't want to be a part of a place that does that, even if it wasn't also putting me at risk of being banned over some stupid little joke.
I'm pretty sure like 99% of people coming to altchans are 4chan veterans who are getting out for one reason or another and given that mods there are notorious for being fags the expectation of mods to use the rules to beat people they don't like into submission is going to be carried by most of your new visitors. I believe the admin has good intentions and just worded things poorly based on what he's said here, but the site itself asks you to read the rules before posting (lol) and if you combine that with a random post somewhere like here saying "oh, we're pretty strict about the no bigotry rule" then would you really stop to dig deeper into whether that's actually acted upon or move on to one of the dozens of other altchans (or worse, conclude they're all the same shit and sticking with 4chan is the best you can hope for in modern times)?
Also, what's silly is putting a picture of an anime girl doing a heil in the same category as a call to action. I know the rule isn't enforced here, but new users won't and the respectful ones who read the rules and try to fit in don't need the worry of whether the humorous context of their post is enough to make it acceptable. Essentially, highly specific rules give the impression that context doesn't matter.
No.136063
>>136047holy flip it's junko!
No.136064
>>136063Hell yeah Nazi Junko fuck yeah
No.136065
>We don't tolerate bigotry. Please be mindful of this. Buzzwords like "troon" will get you permanently banned.
>We maintain a respectful community and expect all posters to engage in constructive dialogue. Please keep your posts on-topic and refrain from using inflammatory language or making derogatory remarks about specific groups. Failure to do so will get you permanently banned.
The old version of rule 2 was much better. The new one is too vague and will make a lot more people worry about whether they're going to get permabanned than the previous version did. For example, the new version can be read as saying you'll permaban someone for getting mad in an argument and throwing out some insults instead of constructive dialogue.
If there's a problem with the old version, it's the language "will get you permanently banned" which is still present in the new version. Moderators should be making individual judgements about whether a particular case merits a permanent ban.
No.136066
>>135082n°1 reason these rule exist on small imageboards is only because the admin doesn't get in a fight with their personal e-friends.
That's really just it. If you are a known staff on a non-XYZ friendly site, you can't have friends from XYZ because they'll inevitably pass part of their frustration onto you, or just feel betrayed.
In the end these sites exists for the admin's enjoyment. They aren't gonna abandon their personal clique for the sake of a bunch of anons.
No.136067
I don't get payed enough to do this for the sake of anons
No.136068
ideologically an admin exists for the benefit of the existing site culture. Not hypothetically to protect an ideal of freespeach and open borders. It's just your own ideals being passed onto admins you disagree with
No.136071
has anyone realized that all of these debate posts about wapchans rules would be much better actually on wapchan? where the users of the site can actually see it? instead its spamming this thread where its completely off topic
No.136072
yep
No.136073
>>136071since when has the happenings thread ever been on topic besides when it's completely dead
No.136075
>>136071I have to counter this comment to say that this conversation is perfectly acceptable and welcome in this thread and it's happening because people enjoy engaging in it.
Meta talk in the happenings thread is not offtopic. Imageboard rules and culture concern everyone that uses them. This conversation started because of a happening involving 4/jp/ and wapchan working on a Touhou VN, and conversation naturally drifted into related things. Years ago when 8chan was in the process of imploding this thread was dominated by its discussion, so much so that it was linked around as a place for people to learn about things. This thread isn't meant to just be a place of direct value to kissu users, but a place for people to talk about text/imageboards in general. This is why the rules here are a bit more lax.
No.136076
>>136075That being said, I could potentially move it into its own thread if people want to have a lengthy discussion about imageboard rules. I have a feeling that the conversation is mostly finished, however.
No.136077
>>136071I don't care if they see it because I'm not trying to change how wapchan operates. Like anons said, they're free to have their own culture, ideals, and friends. I've made like three posts on their site and am not at all invested in it so it's not my place to barge in and tell them to change. What we're discussing was sparked by wapchan being mentioned, but the issue is larger than any one site and I would like kissu people to keep it in mind as I am invested in this site and community.
No.136079
fetty wap
No.136080
I miss the sharing culture. Threads like comiket dumps will never happen.
No.136089
>>136080wasn't because of begging ruin it? dumps moved to doujinstyle
No.136094
>>136089Most of the stuff was reposted from japanese p2p networks and they are dead now.
No.136095
>>136094technically still active but more obscure like share on hyphanet