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 No.115231

Everyone's been raving about meditation in almost every circle, and I honestly dont get it. I just get bored and sometimes fall asleep. Is the point of the exercise to cope with your boredom or do I just dont get it

 No.115232

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 No.115233

>>115232
>And of course, thinking about things is strictly forbidden.
This is why the cynic in me thinks reports of "visions" are just daydreaming

 No.115235

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Meditation doesn't work for me it just makes me anxious.

 No.115236

I don't know about anyone else but I keep listening to manifestation music, and like the music is really soft and nice. Also trying to use it to help me do a "shifted reality" where one ends up in their desired reality, I think its bullshit but I believe it.

 No.115240

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Being able to turn the brain off and relax sounds nice, but also an impossibility for me. I have better results doing things like gardening or petting a cat. I think focusing the brain on something trivial and routine is a form of meditation in its own right. Some people get a lot of relaxation from the creation process, too, like drawing or writing. I'm sure there's people that feel relaxed and peaceful when they do programming, too.

 No.115241

My counselor recommended me meditation today, bizarre as I thought clinicians weren't meant to mention anything spiritual

 No.115242

it's not a defacto spiritual practice. sfw asmr is similar category as meditation. Just focusing on something mindless for a few

 No.115243

what about nsfw asmr

 No.115244

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 No.115246

>>115244
The monks and meditation are all old fogeys around here. Wheres the cute fringed monk

 No.115247


 No.115255

At one point I was really, really desperate and caved in, decided to look for a meditation app as a last resort. I settled on an app called Brightmind, by a certain Shinzen Young, a monk heavily influenced by Zen in particular. Surprisingly, it's one the least popular out there, but people referred to it as being very serious stuff. I spent on it about about forty minutes daily for two months straight, so that's the one I can talk about.

It has three types of practice: seeing, hearing, and feeling, with two basic dimensions. "See out" is focusing on something outside of you, like a nail on the wall. The idea is to take in the entirety of the object, all of it that you can see, the depth of every detail, and to do only that. If your mind wanders, if you look elsewhere, you have to bring yourself back to the object and continue to concentrate on it. "See in" is about the images inside your head. Not like the mind's eye in an supernatural way, just the stuff you visualize like whenever you imagine a scenario of anything, that kind of inner vision. You focus on that too. It's kinda like the real practice of staring at a candle's flame, later closing your eyes while retaining its image. The idea is that you'll develop your mental muscles by doing this repeatedly, in the simplest terms.

Hearing is the same, things like the cry of faraway birds, the rhythm of the fucking construction site next door, or your inner monologue. But the really weird one was feel, feeling your body. It was interesting, concentrating on my arm for example, feeling the pulse in my veins, my nerves, or the contour of my heart, but especially zeroing in on pain to the point that you mostly stop feeling anything but hurt. If I recall correctly the other one was about emotions, and man, focusing on your anxiety is even weirder than pain. It also tasked you with mixing all this previous stuff with other practices, like meditating while walking (kinhin) or while doing a task such as washing the dishes.

Then there was "rest," about concentrating on relaxation or something like that (like a certain muscle that's relaxed), and later the nothingness. Seeing nothing, closing your eyes and looking away even from darkness. It was, as the saying goes, an abstract kind of feel. The end result is "just x," letting all sensations flow through you and taking them in but without directing your attention to them, a sort of anti-meditation where you stop yourself from actively focusing on things while still appreciating/grasping them (can't think of a better word to use). They call it "auto focus," which appears to be based on shikantaza. The "just" would certainly seem to refer to its first half, 只管.

It hadn't helped me focus on what matters to me and any effect stopped being there once I got up, so I ended up dropping it, but in retrospect I think it's influenced my current approach to ADHD as it aligned with absolute despair. I don't get mad at distractions anymore, I simply let them go through. There's no escaping it.

>>115240
Meditation is supposed to be intensive stuff, doing it purely for the sake of relaxation is a tad shaky. You're peering into the nature of reality, not taking a nap. Here's a great video on it by a guy with an actual PhD on study of religion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y85xBebpnwo
Its popularization in the west is tied to the "Vipassana movement" from the 20th century, which is not synonymous with the eponymous practice it centers on, nor is the productivity-oriented gabidalism :DDD hijack. There's a ton of other stuff the video covers.
Side note: I heard somewhere that Jewish meditation actually starts out contemplating emptiness from the get-go, because they believe it's important to understand nothingness before things. Don't quote me on that, though.

>>115245 (RIP)
If you're genuinely looking into the spiritual, I doubt they'd be offended. Otherwise, depends on how open they are.

 No.115259

>>115255
What a good post. I'll write a response tomorrow

 No.115260

>>115255
I dont think the resurgence of silicon valley meditation is about capitalism or productivity. I think its a last ditch attempt to deal with the surging anxiousness sweeping the wealthy world.

And i caused a minor argument last time I went to the temple. They disagreed on Kṣitigarbha's importance when I asked about it. So I gave extra alms. But im gonna lie low for a while

 No.115277

kiddie shit

 No.115278

Probably yeah
I'm a dumbass for thinking breathing in and out is mystical, probably correct

 No.115302

how does flow fit into all this?

 No.115307

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 No.115311

For me, rather than a way to relax, it's the sole way I have of gaining closer control over my own mind. I can be more patient, more understanding, less impulsive, more conscious in my decisions, and generally live life in a more aware state than I would be in if I had never started.

But I'm a diagnosed schizo, so its an absolute imperative for me. I have been fighting for control of my own mind for years, and meditation is the way I fight.

>>115236
>I think its bullshit but I believe it.
Love that attitude

 No.115322

>>115311
This is a rather inspiring post

 No.115497

>>115259
Anonymous died on the way back to his home planet




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